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Reply #45 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:25pm

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Scab drivers pretending to be lawyers,lmao, every lawyer I know thinks scab driving is beneath them.

So, you do want Membership of the Abuse Club. You join quite an elite group including people like Lisa Jones and 'Maria.' Well done.

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Is the guy in your example an Aussie mr Arsie?

That was why I was asking the questions I asked about Poms and then Europeans. No, he is obviously not an Aussie, but I know many Diggers of his age who would have come out with exactly the same thing.

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Reply #46 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:25pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

They have redefined domestic violence to include harsh words without any violent acts, perhaps that is why numbers have increased.

Yes, threats of violence should be included.

Sometimes those threats are actually carried through.

Not included in the stats if he said, "I'm not making your ****ing coffee"

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Reply #47 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:27pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

double plus good wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:12pm:

Domestic violence has never been a big part of Australian life.

It is a huge issue in Australia.

We are importing more migrants like Hazem who thinks Allah has given him permission to bash his wife.

Domestic violence is not an issue in Islamic parts of the world it's allowed.

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Reply #49 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:31pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

They have redefined domestic violence to include harsh words without any violent acts, perhaps that is why numbers have increased.

Yes, threats of violence should be included.

Sometimes those threats are actually carried through.

Not included in the stats if he said, "I'm not making your ****ing coffee"

Domestic violence has been redefined to include harsh words without any actual violence.

These harsh words don't have to contain threats.

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Reply #51 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 4:43pm

double plus good wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

double plus good wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:14pm:

double plus good wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 2:58pm:

European, then?

Maybe. Men bowed to women and called them mam or miss. It goes back a long way. Most aussie men in the 1940's for instance would never swear in front of a women. It still isn't common. I'm not saying things didn't happen behind closed doors. The bad things were kept quiet and hidden in the past. I don't think hitting women is common in Australia now but it happens. I'm not sure about some ethnic communities though. The muslim community would be interesting to look into.

"May 28, 2015 - Australian police deal with an estimated 657 domestic violence matters on average every day of the year".

That's an amazing 231,000 per year. Not all men hitting women of course, but DV is alive and well in Australia.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. You'll find that most wife bashers are multiple offenders. I still don't think it's common. I've never known a family member, friend or associate convicted of domestic violence.

That's incorrect. There was a very recent schmedia article which noted the recidivist rate at 25%. (Something like that.) That means 75% are one off. I'll go find the link if you doubt it.

Multiple-Perpetrator Domestic Violence

2014 | Research papers

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Michael Salter

A significant proportion of reports of domestic violence against women involve multiple perpetrators. Although the number of perpetrators has been consistently identified as a measure of abuse severity, only a minority of studies of domestic violence examine the role of multiple offenders. Data on multi-perpetrator domestic violence (MDV) is frequently removed from analysis in domestic violence studies, or multi-perpetrator incidents are treated as single-perpetrator incidents. However, the available research links MDV to negative mental and physical health outcomes, intimate partner homicide, homelessness among women, and severe mental illness and suicidality. This article reviews the available prevalence data on MDV and draws together research on the contexts in which MDV takes place. It highlights two groups that are particularly vulnerable to MDV: (1) girls and women partnered to members of gangs and organized crime groups and (2) girls and women in some ethnic minority communities. While discussions of honor in relation to domestic violence are often racialized in Western media, this article highlights the crosscultural role of masculine honor in collective violence against women in the working class and impoverished communities of majority cultures as well as in migrant and ethnic minority communities. It is clear that such complex forms of violence present a range of challenges for intervention and treatment and the article emphasizes the need for specialized and coordinated modes of investigation, support, and care

have you noticed with our cockeyed laws.. when someone goes before the court his/her previous is not allowed to be mentioned...to all intense and purpose an offender is there for the first time...

and as we know a huge amount of ethnic violence is just not reported at all.. THROUGH FEAR.

children are murdered...they are killed.. in a VIOLENT situation usually in the home..dont tell me that has not been a pot simmering away for a long time waiting to boil over...

if it starts with shouting and swearing.. it will in a lot of cases escalate into physical VIOLENCE..

shouting door slamming throwing swearing its all violence..

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Reply #52 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 4:46pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

Could not find it quickly. Found this older one which puts the rate at 30-40% which is significant, but not 'most' by far.

Link.

so at what stage should we become concerned about it then?????????.

1 women a week is murdered thanks to a violent partner..in AUSTRALIA>..

do we count hospitalised cases or not????

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Reply #53 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm

Violence starts with violent language and control measures, long before a the physical starts, you are correct cods, most men on these threads always believe deep down they were always driven to it,and that hitting a woman if she deserves it is "ok"

I tell my son he should never hit a women, no matter how much she "asks" for it, to walk away and calm down always. Violence is not the answer.

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Reply #54 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 4:55pm

cods wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

Could not find it quickly. Found this older one which puts the rate at 30-40% which is significant, but not 'most' by far.

Link.

so at what stage should we become concerned about it then?????????.

1 women a week is murdered thanks to a violent partner..in AUSTRALIA>..

do we count hospitalised cases or not????

There is already plenty of concern about it, and the current Australian of the Year is an indication of exactly that. It is not as though there has not been enough attention drawn to the issue. The problem is that no-one has yet worked out how to re-programme men and women.

Cods, on this vvvvvvvv matter below you have been told a thousand times:

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when someone goes before the court his/her previous is not allowed to be mentioned...to all intense and purpose an offender is there for the first time...

...does not even rate as just junk mail. It is just trashy garbage, and you ought to have abandoned it ages ago.

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Reply #56 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 4:58pm

Agnes wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

Violence starts with violent language and control measures, long before a the physical starts, you are correct cods, most men on these threads always believe deep down they were always driven to it,and that hitting a woman if she deserves it is "ok"

I tell my son he should never hit a women, no matter how much she "asks" for it, to walk away and calm down always. Violence is not the answer.

Agnes, if a man attacks a women, what should she do? Defend herself, or just walk away while he pursues her and continues the attack? Is there not a point at which she has no option but to defend?

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Reply #57 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 5:09pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

Agnes wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

Violence starts with violent language and control measures, long before a the physical starts, you are correct cods, most men on these threads always believe deep down they were always driven to it,and that hitting a woman if she deserves it is "ok"

I tell my son he should never hit a women, no matter how much she "asks" for it, to walk away and calm down always. Violence is not the answer.

Agnes, if a man attacks a women, what should she do? Defend herself, or just walk away while he pursues her and continues the attack? Is there not a point at which she has no option but to defend?

I found that defending is pointless, it only inflames his anger and you get beaten much worse- he is enraged and out of control when he decides you need a beating in the first place- and of course if you can just get out but if your kids are present that is not possible in many cases, you never leave your kids with him when he is like that, their safety always comes first , so we may not have the luxury of just getting out of harms way, if only it were that easy. As most times for me it was at night and even though neighbors would have been aware, they just dont want to get involved. The only thing you can do in a situation like that is try to calm him down and hope he does.

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Reply #58 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 5:12pm

Agnes wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

Agnes wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

Violence starts with violent language and control measures, long before a the physical starts, you are correct cods, most men on these threads always believe deep down they were always driven to it,and that hitting a woman if she deserves it is "ok"

I tell my son he should never hit a women, no matter how much she "asks" for it, to walk away and calm down always. Violence is not the answer.

Agnes, if a man attacks a women, what should she do? Defend herself, or just walk away while he pursues her and continues the attack? Is there not a point at which she has no option but to defend?

I found that defending is pointless, it only inflames his anger and you get beaten much worse- he is enraged and out of control when he decides you need a beating in the first place- and of course if you can just get out but if your kids are present that is not possible in many cases, you never leave your kids with him when he is like that, their safety always comes first , so we may not have the luxury of just getting out of harms way, if only it were that easy. As most times for me it was at night and even though neighbors would have been aware, they just dont want to get involved. The only thing you can do in a situation like that is try to calm him down and hope he does.

So she cops it submissively? No self defence mechanism kicks in automatically?

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18805 Gender:	Re: heres another bad news story Reply #59 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 5:13pm Aussie wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 4:58pm: Agnes, if a man attacks a women, what should she do? She should defend herself with whatever she can get her hands on,i suggest cracking him on the head with a cast iron frying pan. Then she should walk out the door and leave the loser who wanted to bash her.
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