Karnal wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 11:46pm:


You had better log off and go visit your uncle then.

athos wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:25am:


I agree. Greer's coming from the view that gender is constructed, not predestined by nature.

Many of the trannies come from the view that they are intrinsically the opposite gender, born into the wrong bodies. This view is changing, but it's deeply engrained. Most transgender groups advocate surgery. There is a view that surgery "corrects" the mistaken gender, that it corrects "nature".

This is changing with the new category of intersex, but most transgender groups fetishize gender reassignment. Greer is not saying trannies should just get over it, but she's saying they are not "true" women. A woman is a set of roles, which includes having children. A woman is not just a body.

O))) wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 2:03pm:

So what is the diverse left's view on transgender men? Are they men or are they women?

Or are they a great variety of diverse things in between?

Karnal wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 11:46pm:


The basic foundation of conservatism is to understand that you've inherited something good from past generations. Additionally, that the present isn't the result of random events or accidents, but that it was, to a large degree, planned. A sense of pride and duty is, or should be, embodied knowing that you're link from generations past to generations into the future. I understand that a lot of this is hard to live by today considering all the left-wing propaganda that circulates.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 5:07pm:


What you’re describing, Mistie, is ancestor worship.

The basic foundation of conservatism is that societies are akin to organisms. Burke, who invented the term, used the metaphor of a tree: cut off too many branches, and the tree dies. But trim dead wood, and the tree will grow better.

The trick lies in knowing what to preserve.and what to discard.

Burke’s main concern was the monarchy, a branch we’ve all but cut off.  We aren’t feudal anymore, so it makes no sense having lords and serfs. We now have capitalism, which requires capital and labour. One day, this will wither and die too. All social "organisms" do.

Burke was not describing a process of change for change’s sake - this is a more modern.phenomenon still. He was reflecting on the French Revolution. France cut off the King’s head (and subsequently replaced it), where England evolved gradually, power shifting slowly through various changes of laws until feudalism died off.

Conservatism is not about enshrining a fossilised system for good, it’s a process of change. This separates conservatism completely from other theories of the right, like Nazism, for example, or Hayek’s economic anarchism, which inspired Thatcher.

Conservatism has inspired movements like the Greens, who placed conservative theory into nature as an eco-system.  Conservatism has a host of republican followers in the US. For.them, the US is not a democracy, but a republic, with the emphasis on executive power.

Conservatism is not about fetishising the past, or being resistant to change. Nor is it nationalism, which was created by Whigs and reformists of the mid 19th century in preference to socialism. Cherishing a miscellaneous grab-bag of right-wing values is not conservatism either.

Conservatism is all about social change, it’s just about timely evolution as opposed to the mechanistic changes of social parts favoured by socialists and national socialists, both left and right.

There’s no such thing as "progressivism", Mistie. The closest we have is Hegel, who was a proto-conservative. Hegel first use the notion of progress to show history moving towards an end-point.

Mind you, Hegel inspired Marx, so there you have it. "Progressives".

The owl of Minerva flies only at the dusk.

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:36pm:



"I work with families". PB   Ignorant PB, just thick and blinkered and unlettered.  As if Hegel invented teleology (end point). How stupid can you be????


You are stupid and loud and ignorant, PB. You think you can get away with bluster.


Redemptive religions came up with the idea of straightening the wheel of life, turning the eternal recurrence of nature into a straight line pointing to Redemption, to an end point.


ONLY redemptive religions turn the circle of nature into a line that leads to an end-point  - of redemption.