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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96614	Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women' Reply #195 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:21pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:06pm: Scientific ideas have an empirical basis. Cunning, no?
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Reply #196 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:38pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:49pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:36pm:

There’s no such thing as "progressivism", Mistie. The closest we have is Hegel, who was a proto-conservative. Hegel first use the notion of progress to show history moving towards an end-point.

Mind you, Hegel inspired Marx, so there you have it. "Progressives".

The owl of Minerva flies only at the dusk.

"I work with families". PB Ignorant PB, just thick and blinkered and unlettered. As if Hegel invented teleology (end point). How stupid can you be????

You are stupid and loud and ignorant, PB. You think you can get away with bluster.

Redemptive religions came up with the idea of straightening the wheel of life, turning the eternal recurrence of nature into a straight line pointing to Redemption, to an end point.

ONLY redemptive religions turn the circle of nature into a line that leads to an end-point - of redemption.

Oh, you are a naughty old boy. I do like you so.

Redemptive religions, eh?

Judaism has no "end point", but it started the monotheistic tradition. The end point in Western thought is an invention of Aristotle,. Hegel references Aristotle. Aristotle is pre-Christian.

And you’ve a clogged bottom.

Redemption is teleology and it is the idea that straightens the eternal circle of recurrence of the natural world, PB. Teleology is the moral answer to the the eternal natural, mindless recurrence.

I am fVkken amazed that you have heard it here first.

And I love it how someone can offer such pearls of wisdom as stoopid and ignorant and thick and unlettered - unlettered! - and attempt to define such lofty spiritual abstracts as redemption.

Only someone with letters could do that.

So you DID hear it here first.

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Reply #197 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:41pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

Doesn’t sound like you’ve read much on the philosophy of science, Mistie. Science is based on scientific ideas.

Now you are accosting your OWN bottom, PB, as once again disappearing up it. Auto arse fancier.

Science is based on scientific ideas. = science is based on science. No wonder the thick proles around here, like mutha and Gandy, hail you as an insightful genius - you can do what they can't: identify science as being based on science. That's cut through for the progressive proletariat.

Lead them on, PB.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96614	Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women' Reply #198 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:13pm You didn’t say whether you require proof of reactionaries despising the vision of the modern West, Mistie. See the old boy’s post above. We won’t mention liberalism. It does traumatize you both so. No one has the right to not be offended, eh?
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Reply #199 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:19pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:00pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:32pm:

but while gender may be a spectrum, sex is a binary. Bodies have either male or female genitalia, and in only a tiny minority of cases, both.

Greer here is getting at the category of sex, not gender. But as she argues, nor is gender about lipstick and breast implants.

Solutions appear more elusive.

I don’t know what to believe, but most trannies do seem very obsessed by bodies.

You are sucking each other's non-existent/severed d***s. Hideous and hilarious.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96614	Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women' Reply #200 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:25pm Can’t bring yourself to say dick, dear boy? I understand. We’ll put you in dick therapy. You’ll be sprechen dick in no time. Arbeit macht frei, no?
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Reply #201 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:56pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:

Can’t bring yourself to say dick, dear boy?

I understand. We’ll put you in dick therapy. You’ll be sprechen dick in no time.

Arbeit macht frei, no?

In these censoring times, one never knows what upsets the dickless wonders - see Cardiff Uni furore.

Liberalism, innit.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96614	Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women' Reply #202 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:24pm Now now, dear boy, you don’t miss what you never had. You’re free to use mine, you know. Just say ah.
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LifeOrDeath Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1548	Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women' Reply #203 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:37pm Karnal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:24pm: Now now, dear boy, you don’t miss what you never had. You’re free to use mine, you know. Just say ah. Try oxford street that would be more your speed.
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Reply #204 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:48am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

Scientific ideas have an empirical basis. Those ideas from the social sciences about some utopian future or the creation of 'victims' has nothing to do with empiricism or science.

Mistie, i'll try asking you again.

Are you saying that scientific thought and empirical thinking is not exhibited by anyone with a left leaning?

That no scientists vote left?

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women' Reply #205 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:36am Tracey Dolezal thinks she's black even though she was born white Transgender women (with or without augmentation) thinks they are a women Who is right?
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Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women'
Reply #206 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 6:19pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

Scientific ideas have an empirical basis. Those ideas from the social sciences about some utopian future or the creation of 'victims' has nothing to do with empiricism or science.

Mistie, i'll try asking you again.

Are you saying that scientific thought and empirical thinking is not exhibited by anyone with a left leaning?

That no scientists vote left?

Moral issues, which is what the left's almost sole focus is, have little to do with empiricism. Leftists in the hard sciences, however, would have to be empiricists.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women' Reply #207 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 6:23pm Karnal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:53pm: Doesn’t sound like you’ve read much on the philosophy of science, Mistie. Science is based on scientific ideas. The philosophy of science gets caught up in too much abstract thinking. Have you ever been to a laboratory and watched science in action?
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Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women'
Reply #208 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:27pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

Doesn’t sound like you’ve read much on the philosophy of science, Mistie. Science is based on scientific ideas.

The philosophy of science gets caught up in too much abstract thinking. Have you ever been to a laboratory and watched science in action?

Aristotle, Descartes, Locke, Hume, Popper, Kuhn...

No, Mistie, I’ve never been to a laboratory. What would I see?

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Reply #209 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:30pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

Scientific ideas have an empirical basis. Those ideas from the social sciences about some utopian future or the creation of 'victims' has nothing to do with empiricism or science.

Mistie, i'll try asking you again.

Are you saying that scientific thought and empirical thinking is not exhibited by anyone with a left leaning?

That no scientists vote left?

Moral issues, which is what the left's almost sole focus is, have little to do with empiricism. Leftists in the hard sciences, however, would have to be empiricists.

Or they can apply empirical thinking as needs be.

Are you so sure the left's almost sole focus is on moral issues? That's a mighty big call Mistie, when you have already admitted that great scientists and innovators can be left leaning.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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