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Reply #75 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 4:55pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 2:51pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 6:44pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 5:35pm:
In any case, you skirt the point.

Why would it be notable that 'lefties' disagree with each other? You think we all think homogeneously?


It's hilarious watching lefties trying to outdo each other on who's the most offended.


No one has the right to not be offended, Mistie.

Except you and the old boy.



Thank you, stupid.

The point is NOT that nobody can or should be offended.
The point is that it is not a right to be sheltered from what one might find offensive. Which is at the heart of this call to ban Greer from speaking on the topic at Cardiff University.



You seem to want to knock gweggy off the throne of "thickest and most uncomprehending". You are doing well.




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Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women'
Reply #76 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 5:50pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 4:50pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 2:48pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 4:58pm:
The lefties on campus are trying to block her from speaking on this.



For some reason, I don't believe you.

Why do you think this is, Mistie?



I think it's because you are stupid.

Petition urges Cardiff University to cancel Germaine Greer lecture
Change.org petition calls on university to ban lecture by feminist academic for alleged transphobic comments


A petition, eh? That could work.

Oh well, they’re delusional. I’m with Germaine Greer.

And even if I wasn’t, the petition is fascism.

No one has the right to not be offended, no?
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Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women'
Reply #77 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 5:57pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 4:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 2:51pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 6:44pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 5:35pm:
In any case, you skirt the point.

Why would it be notable that 'lefties' disagree with each other? You think we all think homogeneously?


It's hilarious watching lefties trying to outdo each other on who's the most offended.


No one has the right to not be offended, Mistie.

Except you and the old boy.



Thank you, stupid.

The point is NOT that nobody can or should be offended.
The point is that it is not a right to be sheltered from what one might find offensive. Which is at the heart of this call to ban Greer from speaking on the topic at Cardiff University.



You seem to want to knock gweggy off the throne of "thickest and most uncomprehending". You are doing well.






Which is strange, old chap, because your argument against gay marriage is that it devalues your hetero marriage (and divorce). Your whole pitch on gay marriage is that the inverts are out to offend you, and you have every right to prevent this from happening.

When the inverts get all hissy and say you have no grounds, you claim you’re being persecuted for saying what you think. Every argument you propose on the subject is a shrieky hissy fit about others having no right to offend you.

How very dare they, no?
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Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women'
Reply #78 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:25am
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:32am:
mothra wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 6:53pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 6:44pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 5:35pm:
In any case, you skirt the point.

Why would it be notable that 'lefties' disagree with each other? You think we all think homogeneously?


It's hilarious watching lefties trying to outdo each other on who's the most offended.



Again you spectacularly miss the point.

If you stopped ascribing people's beliefs systems for them, you would expand your thinking tremendously.



You know culture warrior,  i remember you saying that someone should write a book or do a Ph D into the workings of the leftard brain .

I thought you were just trying to be funny, but i can see now that it is no laughing matter.

They have definitely got a wiring problem.

People can have blindspots and rationalise being illogical, but i think it goes deeper then this.

It could be some sort of prion - linked brain disease or due to some sort of amyloid deposition, but whatever it is, there appears to be an actual organic brain disorder amongst some on the left which is extremely worrying.

More then just a book or a Ph D , i think we need the scientific community to tackle this and quickly.
It is a cause of untold human suffering.  Wink Wink


Yeah, I used to say that the hard and soft sciences should redirect most of their time and effort into understanding, and possibly curing, left-wing nihilism. It wouldn't surprise me to find some physiological deficiencies behind much of it, as many appear to be emasculated losers. I have been thinking lately though that the problem goes deeper. I think it's a spiritual problem. Religion was there in the past to help with those struggling with existential matters. But today there is no religion to help - or should I say, lefties reject outright religious solutions to life matters. There's an excellent article in Quadrant recently that hits on this point.
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Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women'
Reply #79 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:29am
 
Soren wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:41pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:32am:
You know culture warrior,  i remember you saying that someone should write a book or do a Ph D into the workings of the leftard brain .





It's been done. It''s called the Collected Works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and Mao.


Marx gave us class consciousness. But it was left to Lenin to harness and direct that consciousness through agit-prop.  Greens_Win and others might not be aware but they are using tactics and strategies outlined by Lenin, honed by Stalin and still used by Greens in every country - Greens are the Marxist-Leninists after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Everyone has noticed that the Greens here, in Germany, Britain and everywhere concern themselves with many more things than the environment. The Greens are today's Bolsheviks, the vanguard against established order. They are skilled in diffusing the party line through Twitter and social media, they are very skilled at shouting down any thought criminal, demanding public self-censorship and self-criticism.



It needs to be updated though. The obsession is now with identity politics, whereas before it was mostly class. The metaphysics of it all are the same - oppressed/oppressor - but the 'victim' groups have changed.
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Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women'
Reply #80 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:21am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:25am:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:32am:
mothra wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 6:53pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 6:44pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 5:35pm:
In any case, you skirt the point.

Why would it be notable that 'lefties' disagree with each other? You think we all think homogeneously?


It's hilarious watching lefties trying to outdo each other on who's the most offended.



Again you spectacularly miss the point.

If you stopped ascribing people's beliefs systems for them, you would expand your thinking tremendously.



You know culture warrior,  i remember you saying that someone should write a book or do a Ph D into the workings of the leftard brain .

I thought you were just trying to be funny, but i can see now that it is no laughing matter.

They have definitely got a wiring problem.

People can have blindspots and rationalise being illogical, but i think it goes deeper then this.

It could be some sort of prion - linked brain disease or due to some sort of amyloid deposition, but whatever it is, there appears to be an actual organic brain disorder amongst some on the left which is extremely worrying.

More then just a book or a Ph D , i think we need the scientific community to tackle this and quickly.
It is a cause of untold human suffering.  Wink Wink


Yeah, I used to say that the hard and soft sciences should redirect most of their time and effort into understanding, and possibly curing, left-wing nihilism. It wouldn't surprise me to find some physiological deficiencies behind much of it, as many appear to be emasculated losers. I have been thinking lately though that the problem goes deeper. I think it's a spiritual problem. Religion was there in the past to help with those struggling with existential matters. But today there is no religion to help - or should I say, lefties reject outright religious solutions to life matters. There's an excellent article in Quadrant recently that hits on this point.


It’s economics. People advocate their class interests, but you’re right. Those interests have been complicated by competing ideological forces.

This is not just a classical Marxist position. Howard said the same about Keating, Abbott tried to say the same about Gillard. Keating.and Howard both acknowledged the primacy of the economy in politics, although they both shied away from the term class.

Class is simply your relationship to the economic order, which in most cases is not simple at all. People in jobs need capital and capital needs workers. Class is not simply two social forces struggling. As our economy has increasingly become about branding, information and identity, our class interests have exploded. It’s possible for an unemployed steelworker to be a Tele-reading Tory, as many are. It’s possible for the world’s richest people to advocate wealth redistribution, as many do.- as George Soros, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet do.

All animals have a pecking order and a place at the water hole. If this does have to do with neurology,  it is class shaping that neurology. Change the economic conditions and you change the social order. Change that, and brains develop differently.
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Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women'
Reply #81 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:24am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:29am:
Soren wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:41pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:32am:
You know culture warrior,  i remember you saying that someone should write a book or do a Ph D into the workings of the leftard brain .





It's been done. It''s called the Collected Works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and Mao.


Marx gave us class consciousness. But it was left to Lenin to harness and direct that consciousness through agit-prop.  Greens_Win and others might not be aware but they are using tactics and strategies outlined by Lenin, honed by Stalin and still used by Greens in every country - Greens are the Marxist-Leninists after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Everyone has noticed that the Greens here, in Germany, Britain and everywhere concern themselves with many more things than the environment. The Greens are today's Bolsheviks, the vanguard against established order. They are skilled in diffusing the party line through Twitter and social media, they are very skilled at shouting down any thought criminal, demanding public self-censorship and self-criticism.



It needs to be updated though. The obsession is now with identity politics, whereas before it was mostly class. The metaphysics of it all are the same - oppressed/oppressor -.


If it was that simple, Germaine Greer would not be telling the trannies to suck it up.
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Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women'
Reply #82 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:06pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 5:57pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 4:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 2:51pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 6:44pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 5:35pm:
In any case, you skirt the point.

Why would it be notable that 'lefties' disagree with each other? You think we all think homogeneously?


It's hilarious watching lefties trying to outdo each other on who's the most offended.


No one has the right to not be offended, Mistie.

Except you and the old boy.



Thank you, stupid.

The point is NOT that nobody can or should be offended.
The point is that it is not a right to be sheltered from what one might find offensive. Which is at the heart of this call to ban Greer from speaking on the topic at Cardiff University.



You seem to want to knock gweggy off the throne of "thickest and most uncomprehending". You are doing well.






Which is strange, old chap, because your argument against gay marriage is that it devalues your hetero marriage (and divorce). Your whole pitch on gay marriage is that the inverts are out to offend you, and you have every right to prevent this from happening.

When the inverts get all hissy and say you have no grounds, you claim you’re being persecuted for saying what you think. Every argument you propose on the subject is a shrieky hissy fit about others having no right to offend you.

How very dare they, no?



You make it up as you go, PB. I have never once argued along the lines you attribute to me. But being a skilled distorter, you will continue to misrepresent what I say so you can argue against what you want to argue against, not what I have actually ever said.

Mendacious AND stooopid, no? Few people like you - simultaneously too clever and too stupid to be truthful.



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Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women'
Reply #83 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:13pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 5:50pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 4:50pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 2:48pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 4:58pm:
The lefties on campus are trying to block her from speaking on this.



For some reason, I don't believe you.

Why do you think this is, Mistie?



I think it's because you are stupid.

Petition urges Cardiff University to cancel Germaine Greer lecture
Change.org petition calls on university to ban lecture by feminist academic for alleged transphobic comments


A petition, eh? That could work.

Oh well, they’re delusional. I’m with Germaine Greer.

And even if I wasn’t, the petition is fascism.

No one has the right to not be offended, no?



SO now you believe Mistie??

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Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women'
Reply #84 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:41pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:13pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 5:50pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 4:50pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 2:48pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 4:58pm:
The lefties on campus are trying to block her from speaking on this.



For some reason, I don't believe you.

Why do you think this is, Mistie?



I think it's because you are stupid.

Petition urges Cardiff University to cancel Germaine Greer lecture
Change.org petition calls on university to ban lecture by feminist academic for alleged transphobic comments


A petition, eh? That could work.

Oh well, they’re delusional. I’m with Germaine Greer.

And even if I wasn’t, the petition is fascism.

No one has the right to not be offended, no?



SO now you believe Mistie??



Only if he works at Cardiff University. Last time I read, he was somewhere in Turkey.

A man after Sir Reggie’s own heart, eh?
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Reply #85 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:42pm
 
Transgender women are 'not women'

leave Maria alone you bullies
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Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women'
Reply #86 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:44pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:06pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 5:57pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 4:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 2:51pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 6:44pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 5:35pm:
In any case, you skirt the point.

Why would it be notable that 'lefties' disagree with each other? You think we all think homogeneously?


It's hilarious watching lefties trying to outdo each other on who's the most offended.


No one has the right to not be offended, Mistie.

Except you and the old boy.



Thank you, stupid.

The point is NOT that nobody can or should be offended.
The point is that it is not a right to be sheltered from what one might find offensive. Which is at the heart of this call to ban Greer from speaking on the topic at Cardiff University.



You seem to want to knock gweggy off the throne of "thickest and most uncomprehending". You are doing well.






Which is strange, old chap, because your argument against gay marriage is that it devalues your hetero marriage (and divorce). Your whole pitch on gay marriage is that the inverts are out to offend you, and you have every right to prevent this from happening.

When the inverts get all hissy and say you have no grounds, you claim you’re being persecuted for saying what you think. Every argument you propose on the subject is a shrieky hissy fit about others having no right to offend you.

How very dare they, no?



You make it up as you go, PB. I have never once argued along the lines you attribute to me. But being a skilled distorter, you will continue to misrepresent what I say so you can argue against what you want to argue against, not what I have actually ever said.

Mendacious AND stooopid, no? Few people like you - simultaneously too clever and too stupid to be truthful.





Now now, old chap, denial is not a river in Egypt, you know.

You have early-onset Altzheimers, remember?

Oh, that’s right. You forgot.
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Reply #87 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:46pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:42pm:
Transgender women are 'not women'

leave Maria alone you bullies


I agree. She has every right to not be offended.

We need to look after the aged and infirm, no?
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Reply #88 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:03pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:21am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:25am:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:32am:
mothra wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 6:53pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 6:44pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 5:35pm:
In any case, you skirt the point.

Why would it be notable that 'lefties' disagree with each other? You think we all think homogeneously?


It's hilarious watching lefties trying to outdo each other on who's the most offended.



Again you spectacularly miss the point.

If you stopped ascribing people's beliefs systems for them, you would expand your thinking tremendously.



You know culture warrior,  i remember you saying that someone should write a book or do a Ph D into the workings of the leftard brain .

I thought you were just trying to be funny, but i can see now that it is no laughing matter.

They have definitely got a wiring problem.

People can have blindspots and rationalise being illogical, but i think it goes deeper then this.

It could be some sort of prion - linked brain disease or due to some sort of amyloid deposition, but whatever it is, there appears to be an actual organic brain disorder amongst some on the left which is extremely worrying.

More then just a book or a Ph D , i think we need the scientific community to tackle this and quickly.
It is a cause of untold human suffering.  Wink Wink


Yeah, I used to say that the hard and soft sciences should redirect most of their time and effort into understanding, and possibly curing, left-wing nihilism. It wouldn't surprise me to find some physiological deficiencies behind much of it, as many appear to be emasculated losers. I have been thinking lately though that the problem goes deeper. I think it's a spiritual problem. Religion was there in the past to help with those struggling with existential matters. But today there is no religion to help - or should I say, lefties reject outright religious solutions to life matters. There's an excellent article in Quadrant recently that hits on this point.


It’s economics. People advocate their class interests, but you’re right. Those interests have been complicated by competing ideological forces.

This is not just a classical Marxist position. Howard said the same about Keating, Abbott tried to say the same about Gillard. Keating.and Howard both acknowledged the primacy of the economy in politics, although they both shied away from the term class.

Class is simply your relationship to the economic order, which in most cases is not simple at all. People in jobs need capital and capital needs workers. Class is not simply two social forces struggling. As our economy has increasingly become about branding, information and identity, our class interests have exploded. It’s possible for an unemployed steelworker to be a Tele-reading Tory, as many are. It’s possible for the world’s richest people to advocate wealth redistribution, as many do.- as George Soros, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet do.

All animals have a pecking order and a place at the water hole. If this does have to do with neurology,  it is class shaping that neurology. Change the economic conditions and you change the social order. Change that, and brains develop differently.


You're still being too reductive in regards to economics. On thing human beings have always done, regards of time and culture, is to want meaning to their lives. This is where the materialist approach of economics and Marxism to give an all-encompassing description of life comes up short. Additionally, the territorial/tribal instinct humans possess is often only loosely related to economics.

Lefties, in my view, suffer from a lack of meaning in their lives. Most are from the middle classes, so the economic problem has more or less been solved for them, so why the continual agitation and pessimism? They're obviously lacking something fulfilling in their lives.
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Re: Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women'
Reply #89 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:05pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:24am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:29am:
Soren wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:41pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:32am:
You know culture warrior,  i remember you saying that someone should write a book or do a Ph D into the workings of the leftard brain .





It's been done. It''s called the Collected Works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and Mao.


Marx gave us class consciousness. But it was left to Lenin to harness and direct that consciousness through agit-prop.  Greens_Win and others might not be aware but they are using tactics and strategies outlined by Lenin, honed by Stalin and still used by Greens in every country - Greens are the Marxist-Leninists after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Everyone has noticed that the Greens here, in Germany, Britain and everywhere concern themselves with many more things than the environment. The Greens are today's Bolsheviks, the vanguard against established order. They are skilled in diffusing the party line through Twitter and social media, they are very skilled at shouting down any thought criminal, demanding public self-censorship and self-criticism.



It needs to be updated though. The obsession is now with identity politics, whereas before it was mostly class. The metaphysics of it all are the same - oppressed/oppressor -.


If it was that simple, Germaine Greer would not be telling the trannies to suck it up.


huh?
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