I thought I was doing a pretty good job of laying out the realities in an attempt to get to the root causes of the current war between men and women.  As long as we continue to hold to the belief that one side of this State-declared war has all rights and the other none, we will never find peace.  Quite simply, it is way past time for the State to stop bullying men as its chosen path to family disintegration and social disruption, and to start addressing the facts and realities in an even-handed way for a change.

Nobody has a problem in condemning real violence - but the realities of relationship violence need to be fully and properly addressed - and that is not happening under the 'man perpetrator - woman victim' paradigm.  The result is escalating conflict rather than anything approaching peace.

Again - you simply cannot go around beating people up to try to control them and expect them not to respond in some way.  Ye Gods, madams - the Dalai Lama says that..... yet if I say it I'm stomping on women...

No wonder there is no resolution in sight, but only a never-ending war between men and women.

“It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, "whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection," and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever.”

― John Adams

“The use of force is a last resort. One aspect of violence is that it is unpredictable. Although your initial intention may be to use limited force, once you have engaged in violence the consequences are unpredictable. Violence always brings about unexpected results and almost always provokes retaliation.”
- Dalai Lama

The State using violence against men as its chosen approach to controlling violence is creating violence.. nay... it IS violence writ large, and with no legal basis in the vast majority of cases.

Epic Fail!  Time to go back and re-do the plans and policies.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:07am:



You got a link to substantiate that Grap? My research says otherwise.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:19am:


Yourself included sadly.

Examining everything from the parent's gender, age and marital status to where they lived to possible motives including a history of family violence, Dawson looked for patterns and trends to identify strategies for prevention, particularly similarities and differences between mothers and fathers.

"Cases of filicide by mothers and fathers often differ in a variety of ways, as shown by this study and other research," said Dawson, who holds the Canada Research Chair in Public Policy in Criminal Justice and heads U of G's Centre for the Study of Social and Legal Responses to Violence.

Among her findings were the following:

More males than females were accused nationwide, a difference that appears to be increasing.

Female accused were more common among people under 18, and males dominated in older age groups.

Women made up four out of five accused who were single and never married, and men represented two-thirds of accused who were divorced, separated or widowed.

More men than women were accused when revenge or jealousy was the motive.
Most accused were biological parents. When stepchildren were killed, nine of 10 accused were stepfathers. While numbers remain small, the proportion of accused who were step-parents, and particularly stepfathers, appears to be increasing.

Since 1991, more reports of family violence have occurred before filicides.

Fathers are more likely than mothers to commit suicide after killing a child, although the likelihood of either parent committing suicide has decreased in recent years.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151028123953.htm

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:36am:



Good point... 'New Lion' in the pride kills off offspring of the former "Lion".... "Noble Lioness" stands by and lets it happen... or helps....

I'm trying to limit this area of open warfare between men and women to Australia - and current figures show that women are leading..... step-fathers of any ilk are not natural fathers... mothers are natural mothers.....

The fact that children are far too often placed in that situation raises questions about our current society, and how it is being handled.

I think your Canadian link is about abuse/neglect primarily, Mothra - I would prefer that we address the issues here and not there - perhaps once we find some answers, we can relay them to Canada.

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:43am:



step-fathers of any ilk are not natural fathers... mothers are natural mothers.....

We need to very carefully draw lines here.... it appears from a casual reading that the figure that's been around for ages - that children are seven times more at risk in the company of their mother and 'new father' than in company of their natural father and mother.....

This raises questions about the way our society and family relationships are going... I hate to sound like a wowser, but.... most natural fathers don't abuse their children, and casting this as a gender issue is deeply insulting to most men, as well as sending the wrong message to women, police, courts and governments.

I see no end in sight.....

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:48am:



Yeees.. I don't think that is very common.. but I don't have figures.