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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35220 Gender:	Re: The trend continues - mama's new boyfriend .. Reply #195 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:58am ... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:36am: mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:27am: Statistically, more fathers kill their children than mothers. Incorrect. Do not confuse STEP fathers with fathers. You have a linkthat explains the breakdown between biological fathers who kill and step fathers?
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Reply #196 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:58am

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Women who kill were more likely to do it because they were killing themselves and didn't want to leave the kids behind.

That is not supported by other information you posted:

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Fathers are more likely than mothers to commit suicide after killing a child

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Reply #197 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:59am

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Another factor that impacts "the stats" is men who are "officially" the biological father of a child, but find out they've been cuckolded and take it out in a murderous way.

That's just an incredibly sad state of affairs - the man has been betrayed in the most terrible way, but has no recourse, and his betrayer suffers no penalty, so he can be almost expected to explode with rage, but it isn't the kids fault.

Yep. More of it being the woman's fault.

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Reply #198 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:00pm

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Women who kill were more likely to do it because they were killing themselves and didn't want to leave the kids behind.

That is not supported by other information you posted:

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Fathers are more likely than mothers to commit suicide after killing a child

It's in the first link i posted.

Here. Have it again.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/seeking-to-understand-the-inexplicable-20120224-1...

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Reply #199 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:00pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Statistically, more fathers kill their children than mothers.

Incorrect. Do not confuse STEP fathers with fathers.

You have a linkthat explains the breakdown between biological fathers who kill and step fathers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_effect

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Reply #200 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:03pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Women who kill were more likely to do it because they were killing themselves and didn't want to leave the kids behind.

That is not supported by other information you posted:

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Fathers are more likely than mothers to commit suicide after killing a child

It's in the first link i posted.

Here. Have it again.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/seeking-to-understand-the-inexplicable-20120224-1...

So you post several links that contradict each other, and don't expect it to be challenged?

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Reply #201 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:03pm

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Statistically, more fathers kill their children than mothers.

Incorrect. Do not confuse STEP fathers with fathers.

You have a linkthat explains the breakdown between biological fathers who kill and step fathers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_effect

I already read that link. It doesn't give the statistical breakdown of fathers who kill their offspring versus step fathers that kill their offspring.

Or how those numbers juxtapose mothers who kill their children, which you claim is higher than fathers who kill their offspring.

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Reply #202 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:03pm

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Women who kill were more likely to do it because they were killing themselves and didn't want to leave the kids behind.

That is not supported by other information you posted:

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Fathers are more likely than mothers to commit suicide after killing a child

It's in the first link i posted.

Here. Have it again.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/seeking-to-understand-the-inexplicable-20120224-1...

So you post several links that contradict each other, and don't expect it to be challenged?

Nothing has been contradicted.

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Reply #203 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:09pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Women who kill were more likely to do it because they were killing themselves and didn't want to leave the kids behind.

That is not supported by other information you posted:

Quote:

Fathers are more likely than mothers to commit suicide after killing a child

It's in the first link i posted.

Here. Have it again.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/seeking-to-understand-the-inexplicable-20120224-1...

So you post several links that contradict each other, and don't expect it to be challenged?

Nothing has been contradicted.

Are you for real?

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Reply #204 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:13pm

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Women who kill were more likely to do it because they were killing themselves and didn't want to leave the kids behind.

That is not supported by other information you posted:

Quote:

Fathers are more likely than mothers to commit suicide after killing a child

It's in the first link i posted.

Here. Have it again.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/seeking-to-understand-the-inexplicable-20120224-1...

So you post several links that contradict each other, and don't expect it to be challenged?

Nothing has been contradicted.

Are you for real?

Just because fathers are re likely to commit suicide afterwards doesn't mean that was the motivation for the filicide. Nor does it mean that them majority of reasons a woman kills her children is to take them with her.

Isn't that obvious?

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Reply #205 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:48pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Another factor that impacts "the stats" is men who are "officially" the biological father of a child, but find out they've been cuckolded and take it out in a murderous way.

That's just an incredibly sad state of affairs - the man has been betrayed in the most terrible way, but has no recourse, and his betrayer suffers no penalty, so he can be almost expected to explode with rage, but it isn't the kids fault.

Yep. More of it being the woman's fault.

Steady.. steady... let's not start the blame game - which works both ways - but just add this to the list of things that need discussion.

If we don't discuss things how will they ever be resolved? Retain your impartiality...

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Reply #207 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:53pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Statistically, more fathers kill their children than mothers.

Incorrect. Do not confuse STEP fathers with fathers.

Good point... 'New Lion' in the pride kills off offspring of the former "Lion".... "Noble Lioness" stands by and lets it happen... or helps....

I'm trying to limit this area of open warfare between men and women to Australia - and current figures show that women are leading..... step-fathers of any ilk are not natural fathers... mothers are natural mothers.....

The fact that children are far too often placed in that situation raises questions about our current society, and how it is being handled.

I think your Canadian link is about abuse/neglect primarily, Mothra - I would prefer that we address the issues here and not there - perhaps once we find some answers, we can relay them to Canada.

You're back to blaming women again Grap.

My Canadian link was about filicide. It supports all the other links i've read.

When fathers kill their children, it is usually to seek revenge on the mother. Women who kill were more likely to do it because they were killing themselves and didn't want to leave the kids behind.

Neglect cases are almost always the mother, or both parents.

You are too quick to jump on the 'blaming the women' bandwagon... what part of 'new lion does and lioness does not interfere' - which is what happens with lions in nature - is blaming the woman exclusively?

And this is diverting from the reality that natural fathers rarely kill or abuse their natural children. There is just as much a connection between father and child as there is between mother and child - and in the cases where a father finds out he is not the real father, often years later, mostly they say:- "Well, he/she is still my son/daughter.. always has been... but the woman has got to go". Then the pain and the fun starts, because the principal caregiver, the betrayer, has front running.

Perhaps some women need to take a good look at themselves.. as do the legislators and courts.... before they start heaping pain upon pain for the innocent....

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83700 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The trend continues - mama's new boyfriend .. Reply #208 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 1:00pm http://www.smh.com.au/national/seeking-to-understand-the-inexplicable-20120224-1... This article doesn't differentiate between father and step-father - a serious anomaly that is evading the issues here, I think.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83700 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The trend continues - mama's new boyfriend .. Reply #209 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 1:02pm switching off - big storm here...
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