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Reply #120 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 4:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:20pm:

Swagman wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

Hi Bam,

the fact was - they gave me nothing -

after all the taxes I'd paid - I felt entitled to something.

Maybe the Govt should keep an accumulated income tax paid figure for each individual. If you've paid lots of tax then your social security payments (dole / pensions) should be levied based on the amount of tax you have contributed had stolen from you to date. Cheesy

Yes - it would be a much fairer system.

Instead they expect you to live on your savings until you are destitute

while some bum who has contributed nothing
gets the red carpet treatment.

The payment rates for the dole should be increased, perhaps as a percentage of your average income for the previous five years when you lose your job and capped at 80% of the minimum wage.

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Reply #121 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 4:42pm

All these dumb liberal ideas would send Australia flying back to the gilded age "Wahhh I'm rich and I didn't get welfare!" there is a very basic reason for that, its for people who need to survive on $200 a week, if you handed out welfare based on wealth before hand from top-bottom, then those born into poverty or lower class families would be starving to death on the streets as they would never be able to access welfare.

Its there to help people, its not a "I want free money pls" like you libs seem to think it is.

Also $200 a week and having to deal with F**king centerlink or whatever nightmare scam artist JSA they put you on is a red carpet. Honestly I would rather be a toilet scrubber on minimum wage than have to deal with MAX Employment or Centerlink ever again.

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Reply #122 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 4:44pm

Bam wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 4:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:20pm:

Swagman wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

Hi Bam,

the fact was - they gave me nothing -

after all the taxes I'd paid - I felt entitled to something.

Maybe the Govt should keep an accumulated income tax paid figure for each individual. If you've paid lots of tax then your social security payments (dole / pensions) should be levied based on the amount of tax you have contributed had stolen from you to date. Cheesy

Yes - it would be a much fairer system.

Instead they expect you to live on your savings until you are destitute

while some bum who has contributed nothing
gets the red carpet treatment.

The payment rates for the dole should be increased, perhaps as a percentage of your average income for the previous five years when you lose your job and capped at 80% of the minimum wage.

Making the dole the same as the old age pension would be a start.

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Reply #123 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 4:44pm:

Bam wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 4:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:20pm:

Swagman wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

Hi Bam,

the fact was - they gave me nothing -

after all the taxes I'd paid - I felt entitled to something.

Maybe the Govt should keep an accumulated income tax paid figure for each individual. If you've paid lots of tax then your social security payments (dole / pensions) should be levied based on the amount of tax you have contributed had stolen from you to date. Cheesy

Yes - it would be a much fairer system.

Instead they expect you to live on your savings until you are destitute

while some bum who has contributed nothing
gets the red carpet treatment.

The payment rates for the dole should be increased, perhaps as a percentage of your average income for the previous five years when you lose your job and capped at 80% of the minimum wage.

Making the dole the same as the old age pension would be a start.

It used to be (or within a very few dollars of it) until HOWARD changed the way No-Start is indexed.

Thus began the ever-increasing disparity between the pension and the dole, currently around $300/fortnight.

This, with its evil twin, WfD, was nothing but an ideology-driven slap in the face to all unemployed.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #124 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:30pm Yep, it makes perfect sense to provide as much incentive to be unemployed as possible
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #125 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:34pm Swagman wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:30pm: Yep, it makes perfect sense to provide as much incentive to be unemployed as possible And as usual you deliberately ignore the point and simply chant ideological crap.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #126 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:39pm Kat wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:34pm: Swagman wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:30pm: Yep, it makes perfect sense to provide as much incentive to be unemployed as possible And as usual you deliberately ignore the point and simply chant ideological crap. ....ditto
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35585 Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #127 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:43pm Swagman wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:30pm: Yep, it makes perfect sense to provide as much incentive to be unemployed as possible If the dole was raised towards an amount it is actually possible to live on, it still wouldn't act as an incentive to be unemployed.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #128 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:01pm Not surprising that the the socialist's brain is majorly confused by the concept of incentive?
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35585 Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #129 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:02pm Swagman wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:01pm: Not surprising that the the socialist's brain is majorly confused by the concept of incentive? An incentive is to live a dignified life with lots of fun and holidays and stuff. Not the pittance that constitutes welfare.
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Reply #130 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:10pm

mothra wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:02pm:

Swagman wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Not surprising that the the socialist's brain is majorly confused by the concept of incentive?

An incentive is to live a dignified life with lots of fun and holidays and stuff. Not the pittance that constitutes welfare.

He's stuck with the out-dated mindset that people are only EVER on the dole
because they want to be, and should therefore be denied all but subsistence-
level living.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #131 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:17pm Swag, like all the RWNJs here, has no idea of economics. Boost NewStart and ALL of the increase will be spent, boosting the economy.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35585 Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #132 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:19pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:17pm: Swag, like all the RWNJs here, has no idea of economics. Boost NewStart and ALL of the increase will be spent, boosting the economy. Precisely.
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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #133 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:22pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Swag, like all the RWNJs here, has no idea of economics.

Boost NewStart and ALL of the increase will be spent, boosting the economy.

Ha, good one Monk...........lets all sign up for the dole as a boom for the economy Grin

I almost thought you were serious there... Grin

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #134 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:24pm As I said, no idea of economics, so plays the clown (quite successfully I might add.)
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