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Reply #135 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:31pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Swag, like all the RWNJs here, has no idea of economics.

Boost

NewStart

and

ALL

of the increase

will be spent

, boosting the economy.

At the moment the govt is trying to destroy the ability of welfare recips TO spend
(except in stores owned by the 'biggies').

They don't WANT the unemployed to have the ability to indulge in discretionary
spending on what THEY deem to be 'luxuries' (basically anything more than a
hovel, a candle, and some turnips).

Just look at the brouhaha over welfare recips buying from Radio Rentals. That
had nothing to do with recips being ripped-off (they weren't), but everything to
do with stopping them from buying these perceived 'luxuries'.

They want people to spend, but not if they're unemployed. The ability to spend
or not spend, and on what, would give them a presence and an influence.

And we just CAN'T have that, can we... ? Angry

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #136 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:19pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:24pm: As I said, no idea of economics, so plays the clown (quite successfully I might add.) ...sorry Voodoo Economics 101 had way too many student unionists in it....
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Reply #137 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:39pm

Kat wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 4:44pm:

Bam wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 4:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:20pm:

Swagman wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

Hi Bam,

the fact was - they gave me nothing -

after all the taxes I'd paid - I felt entitled to something.

Maybe the Govt should keep an accumulated income tax paid figure for each individual. If you've paid lots of tax then your social security payments (dole / pensions) should be levied based on the amount of tax you have contributed had stolen from you to date. Cheesy

Yes - it would be a much fairer system.

Instead they expect you to live on your savings until you are destitute

while some bum who has contributed nothing
gets the red carpet treatment.

The payment rates for the dole should be increased, perhaps as a percentage of your average income for the previous five years when you lose your job and capped at 80% of the minimum wage.

Making the dole the same as the old age pension would be a start.

It used to be (or within a very few dollars of it) until HOWARD changed the way No-Start is indexed.

Thus began the ever-increasing disparity between the pension and the dole, currently around $300/fortnight.

This, with its evil twin, WfD, was nothing but an ideology-driven slap in the face to all unemployed.

You feel sick if you ever lose your job & go to Centerlink -

it's as if all those taxes you paid all your life for other people
to get paid mean nothing to the Govt.

They treat you like a piece of dirt who deserves nothing -

not one cent.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #138 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:42pm
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85369 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #139 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:44pm Pay every worker the unemployment benefit and tax income above that in the same way for all. hat should slow down some of these CEOs and stuff...
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85369 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #140 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:46pm A quadruple bypass is a fix - not a cure - and the basic problems that lead to the problem in the first place still remain and can be ameliorated by medication and diet and lifestyle.
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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #141 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:51pm

Swagman wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:42pm:

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As it should be - in return for leading a privileged life the net tax payers pay for the rest to exist in peace.... thus preserving their opportunity to lead a privileged life without the torments of the flaming brands, the pitchfork, the noose, the guillotine, and the ride in the tumbrils.

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Reply #143 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:59pm

Bam wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:54pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Swag, like all the RWNJs here, has no idea of economics.

Boost NewStart and ALL of the increase will be spent, boosting the economy.

A lot of that comes back in taxes as well - GST, company tax, etc. Only the difference need be funded.

Yup.

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Reply #144 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:37am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:59pm:

Bam wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:54pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Swag, like all the RWNJs here, has no idea of economics.

Boost NewStart and ALL of the increase will be spent, boosting the economy.

A lot of that comes back in taxes as well - GST, company tax, etc. Only the difference need be funded.

Yup.

borrow money from china to give to the unemployed to spend and boost the economy.

sell our real estate, businesses and farms to pay off the debt.

since the unemployed dont have any real estate, farms and businesses to sell, this plan would certsainly be popular with the unemployed.

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Reply #145 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:42am

Some unemployed own houses, Scoot. Been kicked in the head by a hobby horse again? Obviously they don’t own busineses or farms anymore. Hmmm wait a minute, lots of farmers get the dole even when they still have the farm!

The rest of your post is too turgid to derive sense from it—assuming it has sense in the first place, not likely with your posts.

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Reply #146 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:44am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:37am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:59pm:

Bam wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:54pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Swag, like all the RWNJs here, has no idea of economics.

Boost NewStart and ALL of the increase will be spent, boosting the economy.

A lot of that comes back in taxes as well - GST, company tax, etc. Only the difference need be funded.

Yup.

borrow money from china to give to the unemployed to spend and boost the economy.

sell our real estate, businesses and farms to pay off the debt.

since the unemployed dont have any real estate, farms and businesses to sell, this plan would certsainly be popular with the unemployed.

Did he REALLY say that Grin

duh!

Is that you Joe?

the unemployed don't have cars lol!!!!!!

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #147 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:50am And we don’t have to borrow any money to increase NewStart, just cut into the tax expenditures. Of course, the neocons won’t do that.
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Reply #148 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:23am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:42am:

Some unemployed own houses, Scoot. Been kicked in the head by a hobby horse again? Obviously they don’t own busineses or farms anymore. Hmmm wait a minute, lots of farmers get the dole even when they still have the farm!

The rest of your post is too turgid to derive sense from it—assuming it has sense in the first place, not likely with your posts.

Not many, anything over 5 acres counts towards the asset test.

You and the pansi and most of the lefties just misrepresent the unemployed .
It is YOU who lives in fantasy land.

The local abbatoir (theiss brothers) on the outskirts of brisbane has nearly 200 457 visa holders working in its meatworks. they built a complex to house all the workers in logan city (which has the highest unemployment in Qld).

they were allowed to import these 457 visa holders after months of trying to fill the job vacancies locally.

the pay rate starts at $26 an hour.

sure we have 5 % unemployment, thats 1 in 20.

think back to when you were in the classroom.
are you honestly telling me that in a class of 20 kids there wasnt 1 bludger.

If so, i will have to giggle at this ludicrous suggestion.

sure if we had 20 % unemployment, there would be some people caught up in the unemployed, but 1 in 20 people are slackers .

and it is a good thing we make being a slacker as unattractive as possible.

as for this idea that , getting taxpayer money (and more of it) so you can just go shopping and "contribute" to society by being a "consumer"

that is laughable.

try selling that to the 95 % who are paying taxes and see shopping as a reward for effort, not as some sort of "noble act' which brain dead numpties like yourself seem to think it is Wink

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Reply #149 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:27am

Yes of course diddums, I have it all wrong.

No, you have it all wrong. Unemployment is over 6% and rising, hours worked are falling (that is all hours worked, by Aussies, by 457 workers, whatever. Underemployment is higher.

Farmers can get the dole when their area is declared drought stricken.

Ahh here it comes. The unemployed are slackers. Not all of them, a small core who really do bludge, but even then they must now do some work, even if voluntary. But the economy is slowing, there is less work hence more unemployed, around 6.4% with over 10% wanting to work longer hours.

You are a fantasist.

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