Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:46pm:



But the vote:

Question: Should a heart attack + a quadruple bypass = the DSP?


is now  8 to 0 in favor.

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Hardly anybody gets the DSP these days.

I was on the DSP for 14 months or so. Arthritis meant I couldn’t stand or walk without pain. When you run a HBS you are standing up talking to customers, standing making up brewpacks, packaging crown seal caps and the like. Quite impossible with advanced arthritis in a hip joint.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:37am:

This is why you fail. Pay attention.

You have a narrow pre-conceived notion of what "the unemployed" means. Like most rightards, you spend your whole life stereotyping other people, placing people into little boxes with a convenient label and everyone in each box is the same. In the case of your little box labelled "the unemployed", none of them own property, all of them are not trying, and so on. Your blatant stereotyping of "the unemployed" is far from accurate and that is why your posts about the unemployed are weapons-grade horseshit. You know so little about unemployed workers (a more accurate term) that you sound like an idiot every time you post about them.

Centrelink has a "MOD R" form where R means "Real Estate", including investment properties. Why would Centrelink have this form if "'the unemployed' don't have any real estate"? Not only is it possible for unemployed workers to own houses, it is possible for them to own multiple properties. How did these unemployed workers get those properties? Mostly by working hard, saving and investing. Just like everyone else who buys real estate.

Think about that for a moment and you will realise that unemployed workers are just like everyone else. The sole difference is that they are currently without a chair in the great game of employment musical chairs. Unemployed workers end up without a job for all sorts of reasons - lack of experience, retrenchment, company goes bust, even drought. Yes, it is true, farmers can end up on the dole too.

For most unemployed workers they end up without a job through no fault of their own. There are simply not enough jobs to go around. And here's another fact - if the unemployment rate and workforce is steady, for every unemployed worker who is lucky enough to find a job, somewhere another worker has to lose their job to make room. The actual labour market has more people in jobs over time due to population growth, but more people end up unemployed too.

The only way that all the unemployed can find work at the same time is if we had real full employment in Australia and that hasn't happened for 40 years. No amount of airy-fairy positive thinking nonsense helps if the jobs are not there and the community is filled with hate and mistrust towards the unemployed. Your stereotyping of unemployed workers doesn't help. Not one bit.

Bam wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:09am:



Its not about savings in the monetary sense.
Its about savings from a humanitarian point of view.

what sort of society puts even young people and people with some sort of impairment on the DSP scrap heap?

what sort of society says that its better for people to stay home, ALONE, ISOLATED, NO WORK CIRCLE OF FRIENDS AND NO ABILITY TO CONTRIBUTE,

the DSP leads to social isolation, depression, alcohol and drug addiction , gambling addiction.

Its pitiful that people see this as the high water mark in their lifes journey.
Anyone who is desperate to get on the DSP is the very person who will be helped most by NOT putting them on it.

Its like a 220 kg guy desperate to get a big mac at Maccas. the humane thing to do is to help him see the error of his ways, not just give in to his weak mental attitude to his life

aquascoot wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:15am:



Gee you talk rubbish.

Disabled pensioners don't have to be isolated, alone, depressed or addicted.

Many would have very fulfilling lives but you don't want to know that, do you scoot?

They might have family, they would most likely have friends, probably other DSP's, some would drive, some would even get out of their house, you know......like into the wider community, something you should do.

Your poor horses must be fed up with you lecturing them all day.

How dare they get a pension and enjoy not working.

Most DSP can still enjoy the beach during the summer months too.

how dare they

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 11:51am:



enjoying the beach is the reward for a decent weeks work. (in the same way having a beer on a friday avo is the reward for a hard weeks work)
its not a lifestyle choice.its not something that people should do every day.

I even heard some pensioners are considering going overseas to thailand and expect the australian taxpayer to fund their lifestyle choice.

How pitiful