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Reply #45 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:58am

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:09am:

May I just say that it is you people - you John, Grappler (whose rant I just enjoyed immensely) and the rest of the mainly left - who want these government monoliths staffed by as many public servants as you can stuff in.

What the hell do you think is going to happen when you give so much power to jumped up little bureaucrats, unless you happen to be someone who they are not sure might not know people of influence?

Soviet Russia, East Germany, Red China - that's what's going to happen.

who do you want to staff them boges? the Chinese? the Indians? they're infuriating enough to deal with without having some knob who can't speak English

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Reply #46 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:59am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:43am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

I had a neighbor come in all pissed off yesterday after having dealt wit centrelink all day, trying to find out why they were docking his pension. .... after two visits to the local centrelink office, having security called on him for daring to call them idiots, and multiple phone calls, they worked out they were docking his pension because they ASSUMED he was earning so much in interest on some money he had in a bank account ... when he told them the account earned 0.1% interest and not the 6% they were assuming, they told him that it wasn't their problem.

they ended up calling security on him again when he replied to that.

The problem with centrelink is that they don't actually listen to their clients .. they're programmed to say certain things at certain times, like the good little robots they are, without ever addressing the clients concerns

You seem to have a lot of problems with Centrelink, John.

Might be easier to just get a job.

Now there's a thought!

you don't read to well .. it's not my problem but my neighbours

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Reply #47 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:59am

Bam wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:13am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

I had a neighbor come in all pissed off yesterday after having dealt wit centrelink all day, trying to find out why they were docking his pension. .... after two visits to the local centrelink office, having security called on him for daring to call them idiots, and multiple phone calls, they worked out they were docking his pension because they ASSUMED he was earning so much in interest on some money he had in a bank account ... when he told them the account earned 0.1% interest and not the 6% they were assuming, they told him that it wasn't their problem.

they ended up calling security on him again when he replied to that.

The problem with centrelink is that they don't actually listen to their clients .. they're programmed to say certain things at certain times, like the good little robots they are, without ever addressing the clients concerns

Gets us back to the argument (nay - call it a dispute) over the difference between the handling of the fully franked (bought and paid for) Pension, and superannuation that is not fully paid for at any time during its life.

A person on super can get as much as the market will bear in a year, after several tax concessions along the way, yet a person on a pension that has been fully paid for over fifty years of work is chopped off at the knees for anything and everything.

One reason why the entire system of retirement funding needs overhaul, and I see the solution is to pay everyone the pension, no questions asked, and treat all income above that the same for taxation. that would recoup some of the tax concessions that super has garnered along the way - and don't forget - pension is fully the recipient's money since it had no tax concessions at all along the way - whereas super is subsidised several times.

100% agree with your solution. How much of the pension do you think should be tax free?

I've thought this on through before.... pension should be entirely tax free since it is paid for already, and then income above that is treated the same as everything else for income tax.

Roughly, under such a regime compared to the current debacle, a person would need to be garnering $100k pa from super for it to have any impact.

It would also cut out the current farce of working pensioners being slugged not only for pension reduction, but also for tax on their pension added to earnings. You call that fair when super gets three tax concessions along the way and then is exempt, and a pension paid for gets no tax exemptions but is created out of part of income tax on gross?

Simple solution, and would remove the need for endless Centrelink employees, while adding to the ATO. Probably a fair balance and a lot simpler.

Gotta go.

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Reply #48 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:00am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:53am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

I had a neighbor come in all pissed off yesterday after having dealt wit centrelink all day, trying to find out why they were docking his pension. .... after two visits to the local centrelink office, having security called on him for daring to call them idiots, and multiple phone calls, they worked out they were docking his pension because they ASSUMED he was earning so much in interest on some money he had in a bank account ... when he told them the account earned 0.1% interest and not the 6% they were assuming, they told him that it wasn't their problem.

they ended up calling security on him again when he replied to that.

The problem with centrelink is that they don't actually listen to their clients .. they're programmed to say certain things at certain times, like the good little robots they are, without ever addressing the clients concerns

Its called the 'deeming rate'. It has been around for decades.

and that makes it OK?

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Reply #50 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:22am

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:58am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:09am:

May I just say that it is you people - you John, Grappler (whose rant I just enjoyed immensely) and the rest of the mainly left - who want these government monoliths staffed by as many public servants as you can stuff in.

What the hell do you think is going to happen when you give so much power to jumped up little bureaucrats, unless you happen to be someone who they are not sure might not know people of influence?

Soviet Russia, East Germany, Red China - that's what's going to happen.

who do you want to staff them boges? the Chinese? the Indians? they're infuriating enough to deal with without having some knob who can't speak English

Linguaphobe!!!

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Reply #51 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:25am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:09am:

May I just say that it is you people - you John, Grappler (whose rant I just enjoyed immensely) and the rest of the mainly left - who want these government monoliths staffed by as many public servants as you can stuff in.

What the hell do you think is going to happen when you give so much power to jumped up little bureaucrats, unless you happen to be someone who they are not sure might not know people of influence?

Soviet Russia, East Germany, Red China - that's what's going to happen.

Sounds a little extreme

Not extreme, poetic license

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Reply #52 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:35am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 8:40am:

Kytro wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 8:04am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

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Unemployment can happen to anyone anytime. Those that are working today, could be the ones that are unemployed tomorrow. Even centrelink staff. Sad

EMPLOYMENT can happen to anyone anytime. Of course these means you have to TRY - which explains you.

Yes, but it can't happen to everyone, hence there will be people who need assistance.

Not saying anything other than what you are saying, but we hear a lot of on here is about unemployment lifestyle. Has crook ever had a job? Most on here seem to be unemployed since they are here all day every day.

Probably the people who should be posting more on topics like this are the ones who cant - because they are at work

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Yes, except you mob denigrate people who YOU BELIEVE are not working, then denigrate them again if they ARE working.

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Reply #53 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:38am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:43am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

I had a neighbor come in all pissed off yesterday after having dealt wit centrelink all day, trying to find out why they were docking his pension. .... after two visits to the local centrelink office, having security called on him for daring to call them idiots, and multiple phone calls, they worked out they were docking his pension because they ASSUMED he was earning so much in interest on some money he had in a bank account ... when he told them the account earned 0.1% interest and not the 6% they were assuming, they told him that it wasn't their problem.

they ended up calling security on him again when he replied to that.

The problem with centrelink is that they don't actually listen to their clients .. they're programmed to say certain things at certain times, like the good little robots they are, without ever addressing the clients concerns

You seem to have a lot of problems with Centrelink, John.

Might be easier to just get a job.

Now there's a thought!

Actually, that's one thing it almost certainly wasn't.

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Reply #55 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 12:44pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:25am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:09am:

May I just say that it is you people - you John, Grappler (whose rant I just enjoyed immensely) and the rest of the mainly left - who want these government monoliths staffed by as many public servants as you can stuff in.

What the hell do you think is going to happen when you give so much power to jumped up little bureaucrats, unless you happen to be someone who they are not sure might not know people of influence?

Soviet Russia, East Germany, Red China - that's what's going to happen.

Sounds a little extreme

Not extreme, poetic license

Ah - that explains it.

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Reply #56 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 12:47pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:53am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

I had a neighbor come in all pissed off yesterday after having dealt wit centrelink all day, trying to find out why they were docking his pension. .... after two visits to the local centrelink office, having security called on him for daring to call them idiots, and multiple phone calls, they worked out they were docking his pension because they ASSUMED he was earning so much in interest on some money he had in a bank account ... when he told them the account earned 0.1% interest and not the 6% they were assuming, they told him that it wasn't their problem.

they ended up calling security on him again when he replied to that.

The problem with centrelink is that they don't actually listen to their clients .. they're programmed to say certain things at certain times, like the good little robots they are, without ever addressing the clients concerns

Its called the 'deeming rate'. It has been around for decades.

and that makes it OK?

Like many another issue surrounding governance here - it has not kept pace with the times, and just because it was always done that way does not mean it should always remain that way.

If we were to adhere to that religion, women would be home with the bairns where they belong.

Try to keep up with the 20th century - then we move on to the 21st.

It's like the rules for business tax deductions -set up in the Industrial Revolution to cater to those more deserving souls who invested money in profit-making, and have yet to come to the reality that since we are all 'separate legal entities' we should all be treated the same.

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Reply #57 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 1:41pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:58am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:09am:

May I just say that it is you people - you John, Grappler (whose rant I just enjoyed immensely) and the rest of the mainly left - who want these government monoliths staffed by as many public servants as you can stuff in.

What the hell do you think is going to happen when you give so much power to jumped up little bureaucrats, unless you happen to be someone who they are not sure might not know people of influence?

Soviet Russia, East Germany, Red China - that's what's going to happen.

who do you want to staff them boges? the Chinese? the Indians? they're infuriating enough to deal with without having some knob who can't speak English

Linguaphobe!!!

not at all ...I just prefer to be able to understand the rules when someone is citing them.

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Reply #58 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 3:58pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:53am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

I had a neighbor come in all pissed off yesterday after having dealt wit centrelink all day, trying to find out why they were docking his pension. .... after two visits to the local centrelink office, having security called on him for daring to call them idiots, and multiple phone calls, they worked out they were docking his pension because they ASSUMED he was earning so much in interest on some money he had in a bank account ... when he told them the account earned 0.1% interest and not the 6% they were assuming, they told him that it wasn't their problem.

they ended up calling security on him again when he replied to that.

The problem with centrelink is that they don't actually listen to their clients .. they're programmed to say certain things at certain times, like the good little robots they are, without ever addressing the clients concerns

Its called the 'deeming rate'. It has been around for decades.

and that makes it OK?

The poster was seeking and explanation, not a justification. Do you know what those two big words mean?

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Reply #59 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 4:14pm

Centerlink are basically retarded, anyone who has dealt with them knows that, the last time I was on unemployment, I swear to god they lost my paperwork/cut payments incorrectly at least once a month if not more. I would find my payments cut for "missing a meeting" which I actually attended. It was a nightmare getting on it anyway, the company I worked for was liquidated and yet they still wanted proof I wasn't working there despite I showed them the liquidation papers Roll Eyes

As bad as centerlink was, Jobactive is literally the worst piece of crap I've ever experienced in my life, whoever designed that policy needs to be taken behind a shed and shot. Giving the incredibly corrupt and absolutely useless job agencies 100% complete power was always going to turn into a clusterbugger. MAX employment, Salvos, ORS, their board members need to be dragged in front of the high court in chains.

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