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Reply #60 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 5:38pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:53am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

I had a neighbor come in all pissed off yesterday after having dealt wit centrelink all day, trying to find out why they were docking his pension. .... after two visits to the local centrelink office, having security called on him for daring to call them idiots, and multiple phone calls, they worked out they were docking his pension because they ASSUMED he was earning so much in interest on some money he had in a bank account ... when he told them the account earned 0.1% interest and not the 6% they were assuming, they told him that it wasn't their problem.

they ended up calling security on him again when he replied to that.

The problem with centrelink is that they don't actually listen to their clients .. they're programmed to say certain things at certain times, like the good little robots they are, without ever addressing the clients concerns

Its called the 'deeming rate'. It has been around for decades.

and that makes it OK?

The poster was seeking and explanation, not a justification. Do you know what those two big words mean?

really? the poster was seeking justification? care to show me where? You do know that little word, don't you? Cheesy

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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #61 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 5:41pm

Kiron22 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

Centerlink are basically retarded, anyone who has dealt with them knows that, the last time I was on unemployment, I swear to god they lost my paperwork/cut payments incorrectly at least once a month if not more. I would find my payments cut for "missing a meeting" which I actually attended. It was a nightmare getting on it anyway, the company I worked for was liquidated and yet they still wanted proof I wasn't working there despite I showed them the liquidation papers Roll Eyes

As bad as centerlink was, Jobactive is literally the worst piece of crap I've ever experienced in my life, whoever designed that policy needs to be taken behind a shed and shot. Giving the incredibly corrupt and absolutely useless job agencies 100% complete power was always going to turn into a clusterbugger. MAX employment, Salvos, ORS, their board members need to be dragged in front of the high court in chains.

You might be a candidate for the coming revolution.

Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #62 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 5:46pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:53am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

I had a neighbor come in all pissed off yesterday after having dealt wit centrelink all day, trying to find out why they were docking his pension. .... after two visits to the local centrelink office, having security called on him for daring to call them idiots, and multiple phone calls, they worked out they were docking his pension because they ASSUMED he was earning so much in interest on some money he had in a bank account ... when he told them the account earned 0.1% interest and not the 6% they were assuming, they told him that it wasn't their problem.

they ended up calling security on him again when he replied to that.

The problem with centrelink is that they don't actually listen to their clients .. they're programmed to say certain things at certain times, like the good little robots they are, without ever addressing the clients concerns

Its called the 'deeming rate'. It has been around for decades.

and that makes it OK?

That's bs.....there's no 'deeming rate' when calculating interest on savings.

Would the ATO work your tax out that way?

No, they calculate it on bank records. Someone stuffed up in your neighbours case John, but they didn't want to admit to it.

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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #63 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 5:53pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

That's bs.....there's no 'deeming rate' when calculating interest on savings.

'When it comes to assessing income from your financial investments, the Government assumes that you will be earning a certain rate of return, regardless of the actual interest rate that you receive. This system is known as deeming.

Deeming applies to most financial investments, with a few notable exceptions including real estate and business assets.
So, what assets are deemed?

Centrelink use the terminology of ‘financial investments’ for those assets that are deemed. This list includes:

term deposits
bank accounts
shares and managed funds
loans to family members
superannuation funds, if you are age pension age
account-based pensions taken out after 1 January 2015 (or for those account-based pensions purchased before 1 January 2015 where you are not in receipt of Income Support payment from the Government)'

https://thesmartmoney.com.au/deeming-rates-changes-march-2015/

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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #64 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 6:40pm Don't like dealing with the clock watchers in the dole office, if only there was something you could do. Nup, got nuthin.
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Reply #65 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 7:11pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:53am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

I had a neighbor come in all pissed off yesterday after having dealt wit centrelink all day, trying to find out why they were docking his pension. .... after two visits to the local centrelink office, having security called on him for daring to call them idiots, and multiple phone calls, they worked out they were docking his pension because they ASSUMED he was earning so much in interest on some money he had in a bank account ... when he told them the account earned 0.1% interest and not the 6% they were assuming, they told him that it wasn't their problem.

they ended up calling security on him again when he replied to that.

The problem with centrelink is that they don't actually listen to their clients .. they're programmed to say certain things at certain times, like the good little robots they are, without ever addressing the clients concerns

Its called the 'deeming rate'. It has been around for decades.

and that makes it OK?

That's bs.....there's no 'deeming rate' when calculating interest on savings.

Would the ATO work your tax out that way?

No, they calculate it on bank records. Someone stuffed up in your neighbours case John, but they didn't want to admit to it.

Another ignoramus that doesnt understand that a 'deeming rate' is the RATE that is DEEMED to apply regardless of the ACTUAL rate.

The tinfoil hat is on too tight I think!

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75191 Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #66 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 7:12pm John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 5:38pm: really? the poster was seeking justification? care to show me where? You do know that little word, don't you? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy bump for Maria
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Reply #67 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 6:02am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:53am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

I had a neighbor come in all pissed off yesterday after having dealt wit centrelink all day, trying to find out why they were docking his pension. .... after two visits to the local centrelink office, having security called on him for daring to call them idiots, and multiple phone calls, they worked out they were docking his pension because they ASSUMED he was earning so much in interest on some money he had in a bank account ... when he told them the account earned 0.1% interest and not the 6% they were assuming, they told him that it wasn't their problem.

they ended up calling security on him again when he replied to that.

The problem with centrelink is that they don't actually listen to their clients .. they're programmed to say certain things at certain times, like the good little robots they are, without ever addressing the clients concerns

Its called the 'deeming rate'. It has been around for decades.

and that makes it OK?

That's bs.....there's no 'deeming rate' when calculating interest on savings.

Would the ATO work your tax out that way?

No, they calculate it on bank records. Someone stuffed up in your neighbours case John, but they didn't want to admit to it.

Another ignoramus that doesnt understand that a 'deeming rate' is the RATE that is DEEMED to apply regardless of the ACTUAL rate.

The tinfoil hat is on too tight I think!

Centrelink will always calculate your interest on the ACTUAL rate that is applied by the bank.

This figure is very easy to obtain from a bank statement.

No 'deemed to apply' about it sweetheart and stop making sh1t up.

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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #68 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 7:38am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 6:02am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:53am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

I had a neighbor come in all pissed off yesterday after having dealt wit centrelink all day, trying to find out why they were docking his pension. .... after two visits to the local centrelink office, having security called on him for daring to call them idiots, and multiple phone calls, they worked out they were docking his pension because they ASSUMED he was earning so much in interest on some money he had in a bank account ... when he told them the account earned 0.1% interest and not the 6% they were assuming, they told him that it wasn't their problem.

they ended up calling security on him again when he replied to that.

The problem with centrelink is that they don't actually listen to their clients .. they're programmed to say certain things at certain times, like the good little robots they are, without ever addressing the clients concerns

Its called the 'deeming rate'. It has been around for decades.

and that makes it OK?

That's bs.....there's no 'deeming rate' when calculating interest on savings.

Would the ATO work your tax out that way?

No, they calculate it on bank records. Someone stuffed up in your neighbours case John, but they didn't want to admit to it.

Another ignoramus that doesnt understand that a 'deeming rate' is the RATE that is DEEMED to apply regardless of the ACTUAL rate.

The tinfoil hat is on too tight I think!

Centrelink will always calculate your interest on the ACTUAL rate that is applied by the bank.

This figure is very easy to obtain from a bank statement.

No 'deemed to apply' about it sweetheart and stop making sh1t up.

So now the deeming rate no long applies? BTW this applies to PENSIONERS.

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Reply #69 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:56am

A few years ago I was retrenched from my job
with over half the staff - on one afternoon - without warning.

It took me over 6 months to find another job & in that time Centerlink
did absolutely nothing to help me -
no money, no proper advice, no health card ,
no card at all to enable me to get cheap rego or other services.

Centerlink basically told me to f. off.

At the same time a guy who walked in there with tattoos all over his face
& obviously unemployable was given the red carpet treatment.
It was clear that they couldn't do enough to help him.

Centerlink was almost impossible to contact over the phone - a one hour wait was normal with poor advice
that was always different to other Centerlink "advice" & wrong.
The people who work there don't even know the rules themselves.

Centerlink sucks.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75191 Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #70 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:04am Maybe the people you were dealing with were homophobic Bobby?
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #71 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:07am The staff were threatened by you Bobby, they probably thought you looked smart enough to challenge them for their job.
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Reply #72 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:10am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:07am:

The staff were threatened by you Bobby, they probably thought you looked smart enough to challenge them for their job.

I could see them thinking when I talked to them -

they were thinking -

" how can we get out of helping this person in any way possible? "

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Reply #73 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:42am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:56am:

Centerlink was almost impossible to contact over the phone - a one hour wait was normal with poor advice
that was always different to other Centerlink "advice" & wrong.
The people who work there don't even know the rules themselves.

Centerlink sucks.

Have you had a look at the rules? You need a law degree to understand them all. Multiple Acts of Parliament, each running to many hundreds of sections and heavily modified. Very complex legislation makes for very complex rules. I am not surprised that they have difficulty.

If the legislation was simplified, the rules would be easier to follow for everyone. We can start by abolishing numerous petty reasons to cut payments. There's no need for the constant cattle prod treatment.

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Reply #74 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:49am

Bam wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:56am:

Centerlink was almost impossible to contact over the phone - a one hour wait was normal with poor advice
that was always different to other Centerlink "advice" & wrong.
The people who work there don't even know the rules themselves.

Centerlink sucks.

Have you had a look at the rules? You need a law degree to understand them all. Multiple Acts of Parliament, each running to many hundreds of sections and heavily modified. Very complex legislation makes for very complex rules. I am not surprised that they have difficulty.

If the legislation was simplified, the rules would be easier to follow for everyone. We can start by abolishing numerous petty reasons to cut payments. There's no need for the constant cattle prod treatment.

I never had access to the rules.

It seemed to me that they made them up.

Ask 5 different Centerlink people &
you'll get 5 different answers.
In my case I had a redundancy pay out which
also consisted of Long Service leave & holiday pay.

When they saw that I had a lot of money they didn't want to know me.

They did however what to know the guy with tattoos all over his face -
they couldn't do enough to help him.

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