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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #75 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:51am

Bam wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:56am:

Centerlink was almost impossible to contact over the phone - a one hour wait was normal with poor advice
that was always different to other Centerlink "advice" & wrong.
The people who work there don't even know the rules themselves.

Centerlink sucks.

Have you had a look at the rules? You need a law degree to understand them all. Multiple Acts of Parliament, each running to many hundreds of sections and heavily modified. Very complex legislation makes for very complex rules. I am not surprised that they have difficulty.

If the legislation was simplified, the rules would be easier to follow for everyone. We can start by abolishing numerous petty reasons to cut payments. There's no need for the constant cattle prod treatment.

I find that a lot of it they (centrelink) bring upon themselves, eiter deliberately or through stupidity ... I remember when I applied for the baby bonus they wanted a copy of my lease ... when I asked 'why' they said they needed to assess if I was eligible for rent assistance. I told them I didn't want rent assistance but was told tough, they have to do it as part of the baby bonus application. What should have been a simple process, with a simple form and a copy of my last tax return, turned into a 3 month nightmare with about 6 different internet log in accounts (none of which worked). In the end I walked in, dropped some paperwork on their front desk and told them that was all they were getting .. pay the bonus, keep it, I didn't care anymore.

ridiculous.

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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #76 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:00am

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:51am:

Bam wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:56am:

Centerlink was almost impossible to contact over the phone - a one hour wait was normal with poor advice
that was always different to other Centerlink "advice" & wrong.
The people who work there don't even know the rules themselves.

Centerlink sucks.

Have you had a look at the rules? You need a law degree to understand them all. Multiple Acts of Parliament, each running to many hundreds of sections and heavily modified. Very complex legislation makes for very complex rules. I am not surprised that they have difficulty.

If the legislation was simplified, the rules would be easier to follow for everyone. We can start by abolishing numerous petty reasons to cut payments. There's no need for the constant cattle prod treatment.

I find that a lot of it they (centrelink) bring upon themselves, eiter deliberately or through stupidity ... I remember when I applied for the baby bonus they wanted a copy of my lease ... when I asked 'why' they said they needed to assess if I was eligible for rent assistance. I told them I didn't want rent assistance but was told tough, they have to do it as part of the baby bonus application. What should have been a simple process, with a simple form and a copy of my last tax return, turned into a 3 month nightmare with about 6 different internet log in accounts (none of which worked). In the end I walked in, dropped some paperwork on their front desk and told them that was all they were getting .. pay the bonus, keep it, I didn't care anymore.

ridiculous.

A baby bonus - ohh no

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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #77 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:01am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:00am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:51am:

Bam wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:56am:

Centerlink was almost impossible to contact over the phone - a one hour wait was normal with poor advice
that was always different to other Centerlink "advice" & wrong.
The people who work there don't even know the rules themselves.

Centerlink sucks.

Have you had a look at the rules? You need a law degree to understand them all. Multiple Acts of Parliament, each running to many hundreds of sections and heavily modified. Very complex legislation makes for very complex rules. I am not surprised that they have difficulty.

If the legislation was simplified, the rules would be easier to follow for everyone. We can start by abolishing numerous petty reasons to cut payments. There's no need for the constant cattle prod treatment.

I find that a lot of it they (centrelink) bring upon themselves, eiter deliberately or through stupidity ... I remember when I applied for the baby bonus they wanted a copy of my lease ... when I asked 'why' they said they needed to assess if I was eligible for rent assistance. I told them I didn't want rent assistance but was told tough, they have to do it as part of the baby bonus application. What should have been a simple process, with a simple form and a copy of my last tax return, turned into a 3 month nightmare with about 6 different internet log in accounts (none of which worked). In the end I walked in, dropped some paperwork on their front desk and told them that was all they were getting .. pay the bonus, keep it, I didn't care anymore.

ridiculous.

A baby bonus - ohh no

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two of them actually Wink

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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #78 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:02am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:49am:

Bam wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:56am:

Centerlink was almost impossible to contact over the phone - a one hour wait was normal with poor advice
that was always different to other Centerlink "advice" & wrong.
The people who work there don't even know the rules themselves.

Centerlink sucks.

Have you had a look at the rules? You need a law degree to understand them all. Multiple Acts of Parliament, each running to many hundreds of sections and heavily modified. Very complex legislation makes for very complex rules. I am not surprised that they have difficulty.

If the legislation was simplified, the rules would be easier to follow for everyone. We can start by abolishing numerous petty reasons to cut payments. There's no need for the constant cattle prod treatment.

I never had access to the rules.

The legislation is available online. You can even take a look if you have a sense of morbid curiosity. Just the thing to do on Halloween.

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It seemed to me that they made them up.

Ask 5 different Centerlink people &
you'll get 5 different answers.

That's not unusual. But I maintain that it's not the staff's fault that the rules are so complex they have difficulty with them.

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In my case I had a redundancy pay out which
also consisted of Long Service leave & holiday pay.

When they saw that I had a lot of money they didn't want to know me.

Yes, they expected you to use up your leave entitlements first. You would have been eligible for payment after the leave was used up.

That rule has been around for decades.

I agree though that they should have been more helpful.

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They did however what to know the guy with tattoos all over his face -
they couldn't do enough to help him.

Best not to judge others by appearance. That doesn't mean you weren't correct in your assessment, but you don't actually know for sure.

Too many people are too quick to judge others on insufficient information. That's why anyone out of work for six months finds it very difficult to get work. Employers just assume they are unemployable without even calling them in for an interview. It's crazy.

You found work though, good on you. Not everyone who is retrenched is so fortunate.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106958 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #79 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:14am Hi Bam, the fact was - they gave me nothing - after all the taxes I'd paid - I felt entitled to something.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75191 Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #80 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:15am Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:14am: I felt entitled to something. you felt entitled? were you a politician?
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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #81 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:27am

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

I felt entitled to something.

you felt entitled? were you a politician?

When I was working for that last company -
in the final week I completed a job which went out the door
that was worth $150,000.

The Govt. got $15,000 GST as a result of my - actually 2 weeks work.

I estimated that I had created millions of dollars in GST for the Govt. over my time with that company -
yet they don't take that into account when you go to Centerlink.

It's not fair - they want to take money
but they don't want to give it back.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75191 Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #82 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:31am hey, I'm with you booby ... I'm forever paying GST ... smacking things a pain in the arse.
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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #83 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:39am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:49am:

Bam wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:56am:

Centerlink was almost impossible to contact over the phone - a one hour wait was normal with poor advice
that was always different to other Centerlink "advice" & wrong.
The people who work there don't even know the rules themselves.

Centerlink sucks.

Have you had a look at the rules? You need a law degree to understand them all. Multiple Acts of Parliament, each running to many hundreds of sections and heavily modified. Very complex legislation makes for very complex rules. I am not surprised that they have difficulty.

If the legislation was simplified, the rules would be easier to follow for everyone. We can start by abolishing numerous petty reasons to cut payments. There's no need for the constant cattle prod treatment.

I never had access to the rules.

It seemed to me that they made them up.

Ask 5 different Centerlink people &
you'll get 5 different answers.
In my case I had a redundancy pay out which
also consisted of Long Service leave & holiday pay.

When they saw that I had a lot of money they didn't want to know me.

They did however what to know the guy with tattoos all over his face -
they couldn't do enough to help him.

You cant get the dole until your holiday or LSL time is over. It seems harsh, but it isnt really. But it does seem unfair that if you save and put money away they will effectively penalise you. I is one of the common problems of the welfare state in that by looking after those with nothing you effectively penalise those with something. And often 'something' was obtained by hard work and responsible spending while 'nothing' was obtained by the opposite. It is inherently unfair, but what is the alternative?

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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #84 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:42am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:27am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

I felt entitled to something.

you felt entitled? were you a politician?

When I was working for that last company -
in the final week I completed a job which went out the door
that was worth $150,000.

The Govt. got $15,000 GST as a result of my - actually 2 weeks work.

I estimated that I had created millions of dollars in GST for the Govt. over my time with that company -
yet they don't take that into account when you go to Centerlink.

It's not fair - they want to take money
but they don't want to give it back.

That's not how it works and nor should it. YOU didnt make that GST. Your company did.

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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #85 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:50am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:27am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

I felt entitled to something.

you felt entitled? were you a politician?

When I was working for that last company -
in the final week I completed a job which went out the door
that was worth $150,000.

The Govt. got $15,000 GST as a result of my - actually 2 weeks work.

I estimated that I had created millions of dollars in GST for the Govt. over my time with that company -
yet they don't take that into account when you go to Centerlink.

It's not fair - they want to take money
but they don't want to give it back.

That's not how it works and nor should it. YOU didnt make that GST. Your company did.

Dear Longy,
If I would not have done the work & therefore
not got the job ready to ship out
the Govt. would not have got their GST.

That's the way it works.

If you want Centerlink money -

get tattoos all over your face -
make sure you have no money in the bank -
don't have a shower for one week -

then they will hand over your money - it's that simple.

Maybe that will help some people to get money out of them?

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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #86 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:52am

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:31am:

hey, I'm with you booby ... I'm forever paying GST ... smacking things a pain in the arse.

My company pays over 40 different taxes - directly & indirectly.

I don't know how any company can survive -

the tax onslaught.

Companies are seen as cash cows ready to be milked.

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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #87 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:53am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:27am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

I felt entitled to something.

you felt entitled? were you a politician?

When I was working for that last company -
in the final week I completed a job which went out the door
that was worth $150,000.

The Govt. got $15,000 GST as a result of my - actually 2 weeks work.

I estimated that I had created millions of dollars in GST for the Govt. over my time with that company -
yet they don't take that into account when you go to Centerlink.

It's not fair - they want to take money
but they don't want to give it back.

That's not how it works and nor should it. YOU didnt make that GST. Your company did.

So who made the product to sell Bobby or the company

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Opinions are like arseholes everyone got one.

It doesn't mean that your opinion or my opinion is right

See my post in the welcome thread reply #575 and you will know what I am like

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75191 Gender:	Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink Reply #88 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:58am if everyone wants to be technical, neither Bobby nor the company paid the GST, they are merely the tax collectors ... the CUSTOMERS paid the GST
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Re: Tens Of Thousands Angry About Centrelink
Reply #89 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:02am

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:58am:

if everyone wants to be technical, neither Bobby nor the company paid the GST, they are merely the tax collectors ...

the CUSTOMERS paid the GST

The Govt. still drains the money out of my hard work.

It's money I can't get -

& it's money that they won't give back if I ever lose MY JOB.

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