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Lowering The Voting Age To 16 (Read 11901 times)
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Reply #135 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:09pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:07pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 3:21pm:
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getting a MORTGAGE at 16...



'In most cases, a minor can enter a contract and own a property, but the problem comes for the people on the other side of the contract as they can't enforce the contract if something goes wrong.

So anyone who enters a contract with a minor runs a greater risk that the child is not going to see it through. Unlike with an adult in a contract, the other party can't enforce the purchase or keep the deposit of the child.'

http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/never-too-young-to-buy-property/story...

So what lending institution is going to give a mortgage to a minor?


Last time I looked, landed voting ended over 100 years ago.
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Reply #136 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:13pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:09pm:
Last time I looked, landed voting ended over 100 years ago.



I was merely clarifying your post about minors getting a mortgage. Theoretically they can. Can't see it ever coming to fruition unless Mum and Dad sign as guarantors.
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #137 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:14pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:08pm:
Also another point on young not voting, why would the youth vote when no major parties appeal to them? There is massive dissatisfaction with the major parties with young people, this doesn't mean they aren't politically aware. Hell some of the post politically aware people I know to the point they have political youtube channels don't vote on principle for not supporting the system.


That doesn't only apply to young people.  Increasing the size of the electorate only makes change more difficult, which is why the trend is towards relaxing electoral requirements - it benefits the entrenched powers.  If you really want to smash the system, you don't willingly and blindly do its bidding and cement its power.
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Reply #138 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:20pm
 
I think young people will be much more erratic voters than people give them credit for. Honestly most young voters will probably vote Green or if they are right wing, the LDP, shouldn't that give more diversity in Government?

Also as I have stated, there is a huge issue with no youth representation. So many cuts and attacks that have happened in recent years hit Youth the hardest because they can't cut the benefits of boomers. What can be done to solve this than to get more young people voting?

I dread what is going to happen in a decade when Boomers and old Gen X literally dwarf everyone before them.
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #139 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:27pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:20pm:
I think young people will be much more erratic voters than people give them credit for. Honestly most young voters will probably vote Green or if they are right wing, the LDP, shouldn't that give more diversity in Government?

Also as I have stated, there is a huge issue with no youth representation. So many cuts and attacks that have happened in recent years hit Youth the hardest because they can't cut the benefits of boomers. What can be done to solve this than to get more young people voting?

I dread what is going to happen in a decade when Boomers and old Gen X literally dwarf everyone before them.



You are aware that the government deferred retirement and superannuation access by a few of years for boomers and Gen Xers, not quite the 6 months dole deferment you are complaining about, but everyone gets screwed sooner or later.

Having a bunch of children voting won't help your situation at all, in fact Id be surprised whether they even give a sh1t.

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Reply #140 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:34pm
 
Everyone gets screwed sooner or later I agree, its part of the globalist agenda of course, I remember banks and right wing economists crowing back in 2012 that Austalia must lower its "living standards" and people should get used to working longer and not retiring, of course they have started to phase that in and Welfare is being demolished.

Again though, the youth are generally the first thrown to the slaughter, look at TAFE deregulation, Uni deregulation, no welfare for 6 months (when young people likely have higher costs/no savings), cuts to education, destruction of NBN, no action on climate change.

All these hurt the young, and barely touch the boomers since they will be dead by 2050 when its estimated at current rates the middle east will literally be unlivable.

I think giving 16 year olds the choice to vote will increase political participation by young people because they will maybe at 18 have several years of politics already being part of their lives, some of your friends at 16 vote, its likely you will enroll to vote at the next election when your 19 because people are actually participating in politics around you.

Will many 16 year olds vote? I actually don't think so, but I would be surprised if there wasn't a huge rise in youth voting at the 18,19,20,21 bracket.
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #141 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:38pm
 
This is a snippet from The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics

It is one of the 5 golden rules of dictators.  The suggestion of (further) lowering the age to 16 is a brazen, textbook example.  If those people he is appealing to really were "politically savvy" they'd see this. 
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Reply #142 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:47pm
 
Last time I looked we don't live in a dictatorship.

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Reply #143 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:05pm
 
I'd encourage you to read that book.  It can be torrented if need be.
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Reply #144 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:13pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:47pm:
Last time I looked we don't live in a dictatorship.



We do. We just don't have a dictator for life. They get replaced every so often.
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #145 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:38pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:06pm:
Old enough to work, old enough to vote. Doesn't matter how many.

Again, I fail to see any legitimate arguments against moving the age down to 16. Teens today are quite politically informed.

Also Teens who don't want to vote DON'T HAVE TO VOTE, everyone has the freedom to register when they wish.


You can work at 13 so why not have voting at 13?
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #146 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:46pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:38pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:06pm:
Old enough to work, old enough to vote. Doesn't matter how many.

Again, I fail to see any legitimate arguments against moving the age down to 16. Teens today are quite politically informed.

Also Teens who don't want to vote DON'T HAVE TO VOTE, everyone has the freedom to register when they wish.


You can work at 13 so why not have voting at 13?


Indeed, why not, provided they have proven they have a proper understanding of 'political science.'
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #147 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:47pm
 
I believe the author of this study said only 1 in 10 people supported this idea

Bill "17%" Shorten thought he was onto a whiney
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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number
 
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Reply #148 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:54pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:47pm:
I believe the author of this study said only 1 in 10 people supported this idea

Bill "17%" Shorten thought he was onto a whiney


'Whiney?'
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #149 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:54pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:38pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:06pm:
Old enough to work, old enough to vote. Doesn't matter how many.

Again, I fail to see any legitimate arguments against moving the age down to 16. Teens today are quite politically informed.

Also Teens who don't want to vote DON'T HAVE TO VOTE, everyone has the freedom to register when they wish.


You can work at 13 so why not have voting at 13?



14 I think you will find..

if you lower voting everything else has to follow suit...

imagine 16 years olds selling grog at liqorland....

because thats what it will be..
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