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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #150 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:57pm

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 3:21pm:

cods wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 2:48pm:

how about DRINKING in a pub at 16...

Drinking age has nothing to do with voting, you can vote before you can drink in the US.

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driving a CAR at 16....

You can do that.

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going to WAR at 16......

You can do that

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getting MARRIED at 16...

You can do that

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getting a MORTGAGE at 16...

You can do that (again what does this have to do with voting)

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just even taking responsibility for their own actions even Roll Eyes

Many 16 year olds are independent, my SO was out of home by 15.

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I seem to remember a young Lib winning a seat in Parliament I think he was 20 and the sneering from the left was HUGE. Grin

Because he is a Young Liberal shithead who engaged in very legally dubious actions, not because he was 20.

what a stooopid young man you are.. we are talking about LEGALLY...

if voting at 16 becomes LEGAL.. so do all the other things that go with coming of AGE...

.responsibility...

we do not tell young people they can VOTE AT 18

but cant drive or drink legally until they are 21 do we?

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #151 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:58pm

Bill "17%" Shorten is a Muslim - hear me out guys

How old were the Prophet Muhammad's wife? Weren't they all 12? Of the 15 wives - I think only one that was over 15. Horney bastard

If this election he can reduce voting age to 16. Next election he'll want Sharia law in Australia to lower other age restrictions as well

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #152 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:01pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:58pm:

Bill "17%" Shorten is a Muslim - hear me out guys

How old were the Prophet Muhammad's wife? Weren't they all 12?

If this election he can reduce voting age to 16. Next election he'll want Sharia law in Australia to lower other age restrictions as well

oh grow up macca....you are sounding like the left desperate to win a point...dont twist this into a anti muslim thread please...shortarse has come out and actually stated this...

and its pathetic we all know.. well at least sensible people do...would you like your 16 year old to be buying or selling grog legally at 16??.. Roll Eyes

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #153 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:03pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Old enough to work, old enough to vote. Doesn't matter how many.

Again, I fail to see any legitimate arguments against moving the age down to 16. Teens today are quite politically informed.

Also Teens who don't want to vote DON'T HAVE TO VOTE, everyone has the freedom to register when they wish.

You can work at 13 so why not have voting at 13?

Old enough to work, old enough to vote, though I doubt a 13 year old will be paying any tax.

Again, something has to be done to improve political participation of Youth, lowering the voting age is the easy solution.

Not a single one of you have brought up a single relevant point that can't be extended to most adults.
Most adults aren't part of the army, most adults don't own property, most adults don't know anything about Politics.

Why should the young be underrepresented and subject to the tyranny of those retiring? Why should a 60 year old decide the future of not only a 16 year old, but essentially anyone <30?

How about we just give <30 two votes then? Surely that will even things out because the way demographics are at the moment.

50+ voters: 7.2 million
18-35 voters: 2.4 million.

How is that in any way fair? That is complete and utter generational tyranny.

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #154 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:07pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Old enough to work, old enough to vote. Doesn't matter how many.

Again, I fail to see any legitimate arguments against moving the age down to 16. Teens today are quite politically informed.

Also Teens who don't want to vote DON'T HAVE TO VOTE, everyone has the freedom to register when they wish.

You can work at 13 so why not have voting at 13?

Indeed, why not, provided they have proven they have a proper understanding of 'political science.'

Since when was that a criteria for the right to vote? If 'working' is to be the guideline then what about pre-teens with incomes from acting or modelling? Do we allow babies and toddlers the right to vote? And should we therefore prohibit people without jobs from voting?

The argument about working is ludicrous.

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #155 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:07pm

cods wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:58pm:

Bill "17%" Shorten is a Muslim - hear me out guys

How old were the Prophet Muhammad's wife? Weren't they all 12?

If this election he can reduce voting age to 16. Next election he'll want Sharia law in Australia to lower other age restrictions as well

oh grow up macca....you are sounding like the left desperate to win a point...dont twist this into a anti muslim thread please...shortarse has come out and actually stated this...

and its pathetic we all know.. well at least sensible people do...would you like your 16 year old to be buying or selling grog legally at 16??

hi cods

I'd thought it would be a good idea to mix the ludicrous with the sane and see if the lefties know the difference Shocked

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Reply #156 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:08pm Why should 'working' have anything to do with it? If we made that a criteria there are lot of people here who would be denied the vote.
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #157 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:10pm

cods wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:57pm:

we do not tell young people they can VOTE AT 18

but cant drive or drink legally until they are 21 do we?

Considering the Government numerous times has flagged wanting to raise drinking age to 21, yes, yes that may happen. In the US you can vote at 18 but you are not considered an adult until 21.

Austria has a voting age of 16 is it burning down in flames?
Scotland has a voting age of 16
Many places in Germany have a voting age of 16
Many states in the US allow 17 year olds to vote
Brasil has 16 year old voting
Ecuadore, Argentina, Malta, Estonia all 16.

The fact Australians think 16 year olds are retarded or something, says more about the views of the "adults" and how out of touch they are with engaging with youth more than anything about 16 year olds themselves.

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Kiron22 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 896 Gender:	Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Reply #158 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:12pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:08pm: Why should 'working' have anything to do with it? If we made that a criteria there are lot of people here who would be denied the vote. Then surely anyone under 18 shouldn't have to pay any tax and not have to pay GST right? How fair is taxation without representation?
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Reply #159 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:14pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:08pm: Why should 'working' have anything to do with it? If we made that a criteria there are lot of people here who would be denied the vote. Yet another dumb comment with no basis in fact. You ARE getting rather good at it...
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #160 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:23pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Old enough to work, old enough to vote. Doesn't matter how many.

Again, I fail to see any legitimate arguments against moving the age down to 16. Teens today are quite politically informed.

Also Teens who don't want to vote DON'T HAVE TO VOTE, everyone has the freedom to register when they wish.

You can work at 13 so why not have voting at 13?

Indeed, why not, provided they have proven they have a proper understanding of 'political science.'

Since when was that a criteria for the right to vote? If 'working' is to be the guideline then what about pre-teens with incomes from acting or modelling? Do we allow babies and toddlers the right to vote? And should we therefore prohibit people without jobs from voting?

The argument about working is ludicrous.

It is not, and if you read what I have posted in this Thread, you will better understand my position.

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #161 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:35pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Why should 'working' have anything to do with it? If we made that a criteria there are lot of people here who would be denied the vote.

Exactly the same relevance "They can't even *insert thing they probably can do*" argument.

My main argument is on demographics. Youth vote is underepresented almost 3:1, the 70+ demographic alone is almost the same size as the entire youth demographic and most of those people suffer from dementia.

Why should 50, 60, 75 year olds be dominating the conversation on things that mostly effect 15, 20, 25, 30 year olds and future generations?

Boomers have had their lives, they had their families and they seem to be more than willing to sell ours out. By the time my niece hits 30 scientists predict there will be massive climate catastrophies across the globe and climate refugee numbers will be unfathomable.

Why is her future sold out because Boomers will never have to experience that and only care about "Muh investment property".

Again, there is a reason Boomers are called "The Selfish Generation"

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #162 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:36pm

Kat wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Why should 'working' have anything to do with it? If we made that a criteria there are lot of people here who would be denied the vote.

Yet another dumb comment with no basis in fact.

You ARE getting rather good at it...

Of course that would worry you since you scarcely EVER work.

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #163 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:39pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:36pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Why should 'working' have anything to do with it? If we made that a criteria there are lot of people here who would be denied the vote.

Yet another dumb comment with no basis in fact.

You ARE getting rather good at it...

Of course that would worry you since you scarcely EVER work.

BAAAAAAhahahahaha!!!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18034 Gender:	Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Reply #164 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:40pm Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:35pm: Again, there is a reason Boomers are called "The Selfish Generation" Do tell us. Started work at 15, retired, live in an $80k house. Why am I "Selfish"?
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