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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18033 Gender:	Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Reply #45 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:30am Labor voter wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:49am: I bet you would of said in 1972 when McMahon brought legislation into parliament to drop the voting age to 18 that is was advantage to the liberal party 1972 - Vietnam War - Conscription age 20- Would it have been an advantage?
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Reply #46 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:57am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:24am:

Bam wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:11am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 7:30am:

How about we INCREASE the voting age to 25? There goes half the Green vote an a percent of Labor's vote

Once again your pro-Coalition bias makes you post ridiculous crap.

And you think the idea of dropping the voting age is out of principle? Greens and Labor both know that it plays to their electoral advantage. At least have the honesty to understand that.

Didn't the numbers say that it made no difference to Labor and an almost imperceptible change to the Libs and greens.

A 0.2 % change overall can be swallowed up by a single snappy 3 word line (stop the boats). Anybody thinking they would get an advantage out of this could easily find themselves on the wrong end of the count come election day.

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Reply #47 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 12:03pm

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:30am:

Labor voter wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:49am:

I bet you would of said in 1972 when McMahon brought legislation into parliament to drop the voting age to 18 that is was advantage to the liberal party

1972 - Vietnam War - Conscription age 20- Would it have been an advantage?

If you were in the defence forces back then and you were between the ages of 18 and 21 you could vote in federal elections, I think the Gorton brought that in. McMahon brought legislation into the parliament for all 18 to 21 yo to vote but wouldn't give to the GG for Royal Assent

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Opinions are like arseholes everyone got one.

It doesn't mean that your opinion or my opinion is right

See my post in the welcome thread reply #575 and you will know what I am like

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Reply #48 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 12:18pm

I wonder how 16 and 17 years old of Aust feels about this

http://www.aec.gov.au/faqs/voting_australia.htm

After each election, the AEC will send a letter to all apparent non-voters requesting that they either provide a valid and sufficient reason for failing to vote or pay a $20 penalty.

If, within the time period specified on the notice, you fail to reply, cannot provide a valid and sufficient reason or decline to pay the $20 penalty, then the matter may be referred to a court. If the matter is dealt with in court and you are found guilty, you may be fined up to $170 plus court costs and a criminal conviction may be recorded against you

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18033 Gender:	Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Reply #49 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 12:41pm Labor voter wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 12:03pm: If you were in the defence forces back then I was a nasho back then.
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #50 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 1:02pm

cods wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:31am:

Bam wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:14am:

cods wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:51am:

skippy. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:27am:

Wow, those numbers are huge for over 70s. Maybe over 70s should provide a Dr certificate to prove they are not demented given a huge proportion of them have no f...y idea. No wonder the conservatives court the senior vote, a huge percentage of them don't know what they're doing.

it wont be long skippy and you will find out should you be privileged to qualify to live that long.. Roll Eyes

it is a privilege to get old you know....

It's not a privilege, cods. It's an achievement.

well I dunno what I achieved to get where I am.. all I know is there are many out there that will never reach what is called OLD AGE..and that I find tough....so why put down anyone that does get to a RIPE OLD AGE...what wrong with it????... why disparage and make fun of someones age???....as if they themselves swill never get there... Roll Eyes

lucky me I dont know of anyone with dementia..and have never had to live with it....but I do know it isnt something to be mocked and made fun of.. Angry

I'm neither mocking you, making fun of your age, nor am I putting you down in any way. IMO it is an achievement to grow old because someone who is old has got there by looking after themselves. Not everyone grows old, and those who do so should be respected.

I simply did not agree with your characterisation of growing old as a privilege because I thought that description to be imprecise. Privileges can be given or taken by other people, achievements cannot because they are products of one's own efforts. Growing old may not be as active an achievement as baking a cake from raw ingredients, climbing a mountain or becoming the CEO of a major company, but it is an achievement nonetheless.

Australian society does not respect the elderly enough. Japan has a public holiday called "Respect for the Aged Day" on the 3rd Monday in September. I don't think we need a public holiday, but we should have a Sunday every year like Mothers' Day or Fathers' Day where we can think more about our elderly relatives.

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You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18033 Gender:	Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Reply #51 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 1:43pm "Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many." - source unknown
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Reply #52 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 1:46pm

The left would like to get the votes from the young before they leave school and forget their indoctrination.

It matters little to the power-hungry & corrupt manipulators of the left that serious decisions are put at the disposal of minds not yet properly matured and which have not been subject to sufficient life experience.

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Reply #53 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 3:52pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:53am:

skippy. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:27am:

Wow, those numbers are huge for over 70s. Maybe over 70s should provide a Dr certificate to prove they are not demented given a huge proportion of them have no f...y idea. No wonder the conservatives court the senior vote, a huge percentage of them don't know what they're doing.

Worse than that, Skip. The Libs go out to retirement homes and give them postal votes that they fill out. All very noble. Illegal. The return address is Lib Party Head Office instead of the local AEC office. HM postal votes from nursing and retirement homes are actually made by Lib Head Office?

Libs—corrupt to the bone.

Do you have any evidence for this or are you just making it up like you do in your various NBN whinge-fest threads.

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Reply #54 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 3:54pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:57am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:24am:

Bam wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:11am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 7:30am:

How about we INCREASE the voting age to 25? There goes half the Green vote an a percent of Labor's vote

Once again your pro-Coalition bias makes you post ridiculous crap.

And you think the idea of dropping the voting age is out of principle? Greens and Labor both know that it plays to their electoral advantage. At least have the honesty to understand that.

Didn't the numbers say that it made no difference to Labor and an almost imperceptible change to the Libs and greens.

A 0.2 % change overall can be swallowed up by a single snappy 3 word line (stop the boats). Anybody thinking they would get an advantage out of this could easily find themselves on the wrong end of the count come election day.

.2% was more than the margin in 2010. any number of electorates have been won or lost on less than that.

So what is wrong with raising the age to 21 or even 25?

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Reply #55 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 3:56pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 1:46pm:

The left would like to get the votes from the young before they leave school and forget their indoctrination.

It matters little to the power-hungry & corrupt manipulators of the left that serious decisions are put at the disposal of minds not yet properly matured and which have not been subject to sufficient life experience.

most 16 year olds are still in SCHOOL... what the hell would they know about life and expectations... its all cars.. sex as far as i can make out today...like brown shortarse is beside himself and doesnt have a clue how to get more votes to keep him in his very safe seat...[job].they are a joke.. would anyone in their right mind give their 16 yr old the family budget to spend each week..

well maybe shortarse would... Grin

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Reply #56 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 3:58pm

____ wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 5:21am:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 5:10am:

____ wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 2:54am:

CHILDREN AND YOUNG PEOPLE

Coordinated Youth Policy
Lower voting age to 16
Children and young people must have greater opportunities to participate in decision making affecting their lives.

http://greens.org.au/policies/children-young-people

Meanwhile

Labor will look at dropping voting age to 16, says Bill Shorten

They can serve in the army, get a gun licence, drive a car, fly a plane and even leave home, but there's one thing no 16 or 17-year-old in Australia can do - yet - and that's vote in a federal election.

But Opposition Leader Bill Shorten wants that to change that and in a speech on Saturday to a young Labor Party conference in Sydney, he will outline a plan to enfranchise an estimated half a million voters if the ALP is elected.

The ambitious proposal is designed to galvanise interest in politics among younger Australians and comes as 400,000 Australians aged 18-24 did not enrol to vote between 2010 and 2013.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-will-look-at-droppin...

Seems labor is in panic mode over it's inability to attracted young people into old labor.

Like most socialists, he knows very little about serving in the ADF, you can not serve in the ADF at 16 - 17 without your parents permission.

Maybe you should only be allowed to vote under those conditions too, if you want it to be like servig your country.

Friggen numpties.

The 16 years olds who are independent and not living at home.
Why should they ask permission?

So some numpty 16 yr old wants to play army and you're happy to send the little snowflake off to war because he thinks a uniform would be cool. It is the law lain and simple you don't enlist by yourself until you're 18.

Voting is a total waste of time and makes very little difference to your reality. I doubt the youngsters would give a sh1t at 16 when 400000 of the 18 yr old little darlings didn't give a sh1t at the last election.

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Reply #57 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 3:59pm

I engage with teenagers a lot, you would be surprised how politically aware teenagers are these days, in fact far more aware than your average adult (and even people in this thread).

What does your average person know about politics? They know the main parties name, they know some politicians (generally the leaders) and they know what they hear and see in their peripherals through the media and only care about "muh taxes/rates".

If we excluded people on their knowledge of politics, 80% of voters wouldn't be allowed to vote and all that would be left is a handful of Labor voters and the Greens demographic.

There is no good reason to not drop the voting age to 16, a huge portion of people at that age are paying tax anyway.

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Reply #58 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:00pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 3:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:57am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:24am:

Bam wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:11am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 7:30am:

How about we INCREASE the voting age to 25? There goes half the Green vote an a percent of Labor's vote

Once again your pro-Coalition bias makes you post ridiculous crap.

And you think the idea of dropping the voting age is out of principle? Greens and Labor both know that it plays to their electoral advantage. At least have the honesty to understand that.

Didn't the numbers say that it made no difference to Labor and an almost imperceptible change to the Libs and greens.

A 0.2 % change overall can be swallowed up by a single snappy 3 word line (stop the boats). Anybody thinking they would get an advantage out of this could easily find themselves on the wrong end of the count come election day.

.2% was more than the margin in 2010. any number of electorates have been won or lost on less than that.

So what is wrong with raising the age to 21 or even 25?

Yet they still change boundaries etc ?

It is a guestimated 0.2% variation - not a real one, it could easily go the other way as it did when the conservatives introduced compulsory voting thinking they would get the advantage.

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #59 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:08pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:19am:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 5:10am:

____ wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 2:54am:

CHILDREN AND YOUNG PEOPLE

Coordinated Youth Policy
Lower voting age to 16
Children and young people must have greater opportunities to participate in decision making affecting their lives.

http://greens.org.au/policies/children-young-people

Meanwhile

Labor will look at dropping voting age to 16, says Bill Shorten

They can serve in the army, get a gun licence, drive a car, fly a plane and even leave home, but there's one thing no 16 or 17-year-old in Australia can do - yet - and that's vote in a federal election.

But Opposition Leader Bill Shorten wants that to change that and in a speech on Saturday to a young Labor Party conference in Sydney, he will outline a plan to enfranchise an estimated half a million voters if the ALP is elected.

The ambitious proposal is designed to galvanise interest in politics among younger Australians and comes as 400,000 Australians aged 18-24 did not enrol to vote between 2010 and 2013.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-will-look-at-droppin...

Seems labor is in panic mode over it's inability to attracted young people into old labor.

Like most socialists, he knows very little about serving in the ADF, you can not serve in the ADF at 16 - 17 without your parents permission.

Maybe you should only be allowed to vote under those conditions too, if you want it to be like servig your country.

Friggen numpties.

I'm not sure why you're getting your panties in a knot again ... you even agreed that one can serve in the defense forces at 16 and 17?
Where did he say anything to the contrary?

Most of the things are legal rights / privileges / obligations as is voting; enlisting at 16 - 17 is none of of those until mummy and daddy say you can. That is the difference, something you should know, even if bill numty does not.

Not that hard to find out.

http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/recruitment-centre/can-i-join/age-gender/

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