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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #60 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:11pm

I reckon age ought be irrelevant to franchise. The only criteria should be a sound knowledge of our political system and political heritage ~ Westminster/Separation of Powers/Rule of Law/rudiments of the Constitution.

There are people who post here whom I would disenfranchise on the grounds of political incompetence or ignorance.

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Reply #61 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:12pm

Maqqa wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 12:18pm:

I wonder how 16 and 17 years old of Aust feels about this

http://www.aec.gov.au/faqs/voting_australia.htm

After each election, the AEC will send a letter to all apparent non-voters requesting that they either provide a valid and sufficient reason for failing to vote or pay a $20 penalty.

If, within the time period specified on the notice, you fail to reply, cannot provide a valid and sufficient reason or decline to pay the $20 penalty, then the matter may be referred to a court. If the matter is dealt with in court and you are found guilty, you may be fined up to $170 plus court costs and a criminal conviction may be recorded against you

It's no biggy, I've never been fined in all the years Ive ignored the fkheads trying to bludge the $2 taxpayer contribution from me.

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #62 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:15pm

Kiron22 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 3:59pm:

I engage with teenagers a lot, you would be surprised how politically aware teenagers are these days, in fact far more aware than your average adult (and even people in this thread).

What does your average person know about politics? They know the main parties name, they know some politicians (generally the leaders) and they know what they hear and see in their peripherals through the media and only care about "muh taxes/rates".

If we excluded people on their knowledge of politics, 80% of voters wouldn't be allowed to vote and all that would be left is a handful of Labor voters and the Greens demographic.

There is no good reason to not drop the voting age to 16, a huge portion of people at that age are paying tax anyway.

If you are so 'engaged' then tell us what percentage of the 16-18 would ever vote Liberal?

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #63 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:16pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:11pm:

I reckon age ought be irrelevant to franchise. The only criteria should be a sound knowledge of our political system and political heritage ~ Westminster/Separation of Powers/Rule of Law/rudiments of the Constitution.

There are people who post here whom I would disenfranchise on the grounds of political incompetence or ignorance.

What about dropping the legal age to be adult to 16 as well? What about the age of consent? Be consistent. What about making 16yos responsible for contracts?

If you want the vote then you take THE LOT.

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #64 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:18pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:11pm:

I reckon age ought be irrelevant to franchise. The only criteria should be a sound knowledge of our political system and political heritage ~ Westminster/Separation of Powers/Rule of Law/rudiments of the Constitution.

There are people who post here whom I would disenfranchise on the grounds of political incompetence or ignorance.

What about dropping the legal age to be adult to 16 as well? What about the age of consent? Be consistent. What about making 16yos responsible for contracts?

If you want the vote then you take THE LOT.

I reckon you ought re-read what I posted which suggested age irrelevance.

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He Man Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1159 Gender:	Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Reply #65 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:19pm BigOl64 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 5:13am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:28am: I was not too interested in voting when I was 16 I find it impossible to give a f**ck at 51
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #66 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:19pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:15pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 3:59pm:

I engage with teenagers a lot, you would be surprised how politically aware teenagers are these days, in fact far more aware than your average adult (and even people in this thread).

What does your average person know about politics? They know the main parties name, they know some politicians (generally the leaders) and they know what they hear and see in their peripherals through the media and only care about "muh taxes/rates".

If we excluded people on their knowledge of politics, 80% of voters wouldn't be allowed to vote and all that would be left is a handful of Labor voters and the Greens demographic.

There is no good reason to not drop the voting age to 16, a huge portion of people at that age are paying tax anyway.

If you are so 'engaged' then tell us what percentage of the 16-18 would ever vote Liberal?

Could that be the stupidest question ever asked on Ozpol?

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He Man Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1159 Gender:	Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Reply #67 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:22pm Why ?
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59372 Here Gender:	Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Reply #68 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:26pm He Man wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:22pm: Why ? Its a trick question - no sane person would ever vote Liberal.
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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Reply #69 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:47pm Dnarever wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:26pm: He Man wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:22pm: Why ? Its a trick question - no sane person would ever vote Liberal. It was a trick question alright... But none of you got it.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75217 Gender:	Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Reply #70 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 5:09pm mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:16pm: What about the age of consent? Isn't that already 16, Maria?
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #71 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 5:15pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:11pm:

I reckon age ought be irrelevant to franchise. The only criteria should be a sound knowledge of our political system and political heritage ~ Westminster/Separation of Powers/Rule of Law/rudiments of the Constitution.

There are people who post here whom I would disenfranchise on the grounds of political incompetence or ignorance.

What about dropping the legal age to be adult to 16 as well? What about the age of consent? Be consistent. What about making 16yos responsible for contracts?

If you want the vote then you take THE LOT.

I reckon you ought re-read what I posted which suggested age irrelevance.

funny I could have sworn the thread was about AGE... Roll Eyes

no ....OK.

you know I know a few people who have trouble getting their 16year olds out of bed... Roll Eyes

and if you live near a beach...welllllllllllllllllllllllllll

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #72 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 5:20pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:26pm:

He Man wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:22pm:

Why ?

Its a trick question - no sane person would ever vote Liberal.

Oh sorry I never realized that you were from the looney left spitting vitriol everywhere.

By your standards most of australia must be insane then and your little band of merry leftards are not insane. Hmmm Oooo Kayyyy Cheesy

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #73 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 5:21pm

cods wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:11pm:

I reckon age ought be irrelevant to franchise. The only criteria should be a sound knowledge of our political system and political heritage ~ Westminster/Separation of Powers/Rule of Law/rudiments of the Constitution.

There are people who post here whom I would disenfranchise on the grounds of political incompetence or ignorance.

What about dropping the legal age to be adult to 16 as well? What about the age of consent? Be consistent. What about making 16yos responsible for contracts?

If you want the vote then you take THE LOT.

I reckon you ought re-read what I posted which suggested age irrelevance.

funny I could have sworn the thread was about AGE... Roll Eyes

no ....OK.

you know I know a few people who have trouble getting their 16year olds out of bed... Roll Eyes

and if you live near a beach...welllllllllllllllllllllllllll

...and I said that age ought be irrelevant to franchise....as explained in my post.

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Reply #74 - Oct 31^st, 2015 at 6:41pm John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 5:09pm: mariacostel wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:16pm: What about the age of consent? Isn't that already 16, Maria? It depends on what state. However, in an situation involving an authority figure it is always 18.
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