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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #75 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:50pm
 
Q) Should we Lower The Voting Age To 16?

A) No!
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Reply #76 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:53pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:41pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 5:09pm:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 4:16pm:
What about the age of consent?


Isn't that already 16, Maria? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


It depends on what state. However, in an situation involving an authority figure it is always 18.


Rubbish.  The age of consent is 16 in all States except SA and Tas where it is 17.........irrespective of the age of the rooter.


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Reply #77 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:53pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 4:15pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 3:59pm:
I engage with teenagers a lot, you would be surprised how politically aware teenagers are these days, in fact far more aware than your average adult (and even people in this thread).

What does your average person know about politics? They know the main parties name, they know some politicians (generally the leaders) and they know what they hear and see in their peripherals through the media and only care about "muh taxes/rates".

If we excluded people on their knowledge of politics, 80% of voters wouldn't be allowed to vote and all that would be left is a handful of Labor voters and the Greens demographic.

There is no good reason to not drop the voting age to 16, a huge portion of people at that age are paying tax anyway.


If you are so 'engaged' then tell us what percentage of the 16-18 would ever vote Liberal?


None, because truly politically engaged people don't vote Liberal, the vast majority of the Liberal party is made up of old, disgruntled boomers.

Young people don't vote Liberal because the Liberals don't serve young interests at all, Libs pander to the older demographic who dominate population demographics in Australia with cheap, short term, vote buying. The fact Australia has a quickly aging population in itself is a good reason to lower voting age.

I mean FFS, the Libs won the last election with flat out zero policy. Anyone truly politically engaged could not vote for a party that doesn't even have a policy platform.
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #78 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:56pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:50pm:
Q) Should we Lower The Voting Age To 16?

A) No!


Ditto!
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #79 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:59pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:53pm:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:41pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 5:09pm:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 4:16pm:
What about the age of consent?


Isn't that already 16, Maria? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


It depends on what state. However, in an situation involving an authority figure it is always 18.


Rubbish.  The age of consent is 16 in all States except SA and Tas where it is 17.........irrespective of the age of the rooter.




Some lawyer you are!  If one of them is 'someone in authority' eg a teach, scout leader, minister priest or the same, the age is 18 and has been for a very long time.  There is also a 'restricted age of consent' which you seem equally unaware of which can be as low as 12 as long as both parties vary in age by no more than 2 years.

And I didn't need to google that as you will need to.
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Reply #80 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:00pm
 
Maria meant a particular kind of consent, dontcha know.
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Reply #81 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:04pm
 

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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #82 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:12pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:59pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:53pm:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:41pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 5:09pm:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 4:16pm:
What about the age of consent?


Isn't that already 16, Maria? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


It depends on what state. However, in an situation involving an authority figure it is always 18.


Rubbish.  The age of consent is 16 in all States except SA and Tas where it is 17.........irrespective of the age of the rooter.




Some lawyer you are!  If one of them is 'someone in authority' eg a teach, scout leader, minister priest or the same, the age is 18 and has been for a very long time.  There is also a 'restricted age of consent' which you seem equally unaware of which can be as low as 12 as long as both parties vary in age by no more than 2 years.

And I didn't need to google that as you will need to.


Maria is correct. https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/age-consent-laws

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The legal age for consensual sex varies across Australian state and territory jurisdictions (see Table 1). The age of consent is 16 years of age in the Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales, Northern Territory, Victoria and Western Australia. In Tasmania and South Australia the age of consent is 17 years of age. Queensland is the only state that makes a distinction between different forms of sexual activity and the age of consent. In Queensland, the age of consent for anal sex (referred to as sodomy in legislation) is 18 years of age, while the age of consent for all other sexual behaviour (described as carnal knowledge) is 16 years of age.


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If a person is accused of engaging in sexual behaviour with someone under the legal age, there are various statutory defences available, which are outlined in legislation. While legislation varies in each state and territory, in general two types of defences are available (Cameron, 2007). The first type relates to whether the accused believed on reasonable grounds that the person with whom they engaged in sexual behaviour was above the legal age of consent. All jurisdictions (except New South Wales) have provisions for this defence in legislation; however, several variations exist regarding restrictions on the use of the defence according to the age of the alleged victim. The defence cannot be used if the victim was 10 years or younger at the time of the alleged offence in the Australian Capital Territory, 12 years or younger in Queensland and Victoria, 13 years or younger in Western Australia, 14 years or younger in the Northern Territory, and 16 years or younger in South Australia.

The second statutory defence relates to situations in which the two people are close in age. In Victoria and the Australian Capital Territory, engaging in sexual behaviour under the legal age can be defended if the defendant was not more than 2 years older, and in Western Australia not more than 3 years older, than the person against whom the offence is alleged to have been committed. In Tasmania it is a defence if the child is 15 years of age and the accused person was not more than 5 years older than the child, or if the child was above 12 years of age and the accused person was not more than 3 years older than the child. Details for other states can be found in Table 2.

In Victoria and Western Australia there is legal provision for defence if the accused can demonstrate they are lawfully married to the child. In Queensland, there are separate legal defences in the legislation relating to unlawful sodomy.


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Although the legal age of consent throughout Australia is either 16 or 17 years of age, legislation in New South Wales, Victoria, Western Australia, South Australia and the Northern Territory makes it an offence for a person in a supervisory role to sexually engage with a person under their special care who is aged 16 or 17 years. A person in a supervisory role providing "special care" may include: a teacher, foster parent, religious official or spiritual leader, a medical practitioner, an employer of the child or a custodial official. For further information regarding sexual interaction with 16 and 17 years old under special care please see the relevant state or territory legislation.
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Reply #83 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:13pm
 
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the age is 18 and has been for a very long time.


Link.
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Reply #84 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:20pm
 
Neferti wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:12pm:
Maria is correct


No, she literally engaged in moving the goalposts fallacy.

Age of consent is 16 except in certain circumstances.
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Reply #85 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:05pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:20pm:
Neferti wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:12pm:
Maria is correct


No, she literally engaged in moving the goalposts fallacy.

Age of consent is 16 except in certain circumstances.


that's how I read it too!
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Reply #86 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:08pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:05pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:20pm:
Neferti wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:12pm:
Maria is correct


No, she literally engaged in moving the goalposts fallacy.

Age of consent is 16 except in certain circumstances.


that's how I read it too!


It is the only way to read it.  "Maria," as usual, is posting crap.
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Re: Lowering The Voting Age To 16
Reply #87 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:08pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:05pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:20pm:
Neferti wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:12pm:
Maria is correct


No, she literally engaged in moving the goalposts fallacy.

Age of consent is 16 except in certain circumstances.


that's how I read it too!



No no. Maria meant a specific kind of consent. That being the consent between a person in authority and the young person.

It's just that we're all too stupid and uneducated with dreadful debating skills that we didn't immediately know that that is what she was specifically referring to.
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Reply #88 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:10pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:08pm:
No no. Maria meant a specific kind of consent. That being the consent between a person in authority and the young person.



of course ... we should have known that

afterall,  the thread is about allowing 16 yr olds to vote unless they're voting for a person in authority  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #89 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:33am
 
Only an ignorant dummy would think 'age of consent' is just a single age in all circumstances.  I forget sometimes that I need to literally spoon feed you all the details on this or any other topic since you are so appallingly ignorant of the details.
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