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Reply #15 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:13am
 
After the last two, I honestly don't think they deserve a third chance at a budget.
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Reply #16 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:16am
 
Kat wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:13am:
After the last two, I honestly don't think they deserve a third chance at a budget.


Don't worry, the next budget will be filled with competitiveness (Destroying wages, Workchoices), Innovation and the digital sharing economy (MTM FTTN) and will make the economy more agile (Workchoices). The libs are in Hackathons (Corporate meetings with business lobbyists like the Chamber of Commerce and Kate "Decapitated a teenage girl" Carnell) right at this very moment!
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Reply #17 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:31am
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:37am:
Bam wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:15pm:
Early elections are difficult for reasons that I have already stated elsewhere.

To summarise:
* An election cannot reasonably be held before the end of February 2016 because electoral redistributions in NSW and WA are not yet finalised. If an early election were held before then, NSW and WA would have to go to the polls with the old electorate boundaries but the new number of seats and that will be messy.
* A double dissolution cannot be held after the second week of May 2016. Double dissolution elections also require triggers. A few do exist, but are they sufficient justification?
* A half-Senate election cannot be held before August 6, 2016.
* Early House-only elections have never been held without a good reason. The only two times it has happened were due to the numbers in the House being unworkable. One government lost confidence on the floor of the House in 1929 (necessitating an immediate election), and Menzies went early in 1963 because the 2-seat majority in the House was too small to be workable. A government with a decent House majority has never called an early House-only election.

Turnbull's best course of action is to see out the term and hold the election when it falls due, August 6 2016 or later. Calling an early election unnecessarily could backfire, as it did for Fraser in 1983. There is the small risk that the economy could slip into recession before then, but on balance it is a risk that Turnbull should take. Turnbull is good at handling risks, it is how he made a lot of money before entering politics.

If the economy does end up going into recession, the following election usually brings a change of government. If Turnbull's Liberals do win in 2016 and the economy ends up in recession after that, the 2016 election could well be like 2007 - a good election to lose.


I think Laurie Oakes knows more than you. It is now sounding like good strategy to go to an early election. Get it over and done with before the next budget. The libs are a shoe-in to win and even possibly increase their majority. Shorten is dead-man-walking.

I think the idea is a good one.

Early election? Without any analysis as to what kind of election it would be, such a prediction is worthless.

You have not bothered to look into the detail. That's an obvious sign that I know more than you. I have form on predicting election dates. You do not. I correctly predicted the date of the previous election to within a week, two weeks before Gillard announced a September 14 2013 election (the exact date I predicted), before Rudd moved it to September 7 due to September 14 being Yom Kippur.

I expect the Parliament to go full term because there are no compelling reasons for an early election. The House has solid numbers, the Senate is easier to work with (Turnbull has found that talking to the Senators is helpful) and there are no other clear indications that an early election is necessary. I have already suggested that the next election will be in the first half of September or the last half of October but that was with Abbott as PM where I guessed that he would seek to delay the election as long as possible. Turnbull doesn't change that prediction much except to bring the four possible dates in August into play ahead of a November poll. Turnbull will go to the election earlier than Abbott would have done but the election will not be held before August 6 2016. August 27 2016 is my guess - it is just before the economic figures for the June 2016 quarter are due to be released.
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Reply #18 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:35am
 
there is no way the libs will hold the election after the budget. They can't afford to.
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Reply #19 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:39am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:04am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:31pm:
You could tell that article came from a Murdoch rag.

Economy growing more difficult, yeah, recessions are like that.

Revenues are falling, so they will cut spending.

The 2014 Budget failed because the ground wasn’t prepared??? It was harsh and unfair and hit the old, the sick, the poor and students. The one thing that would be lifting the economy right now, the NBN, has been killed, the MTM mishmash is crap, expensive crap.

Speculation about an election before they have to hand down a third botch of a Budget has been around before now. Probably they will call the election in March. MYEFO will be a pointer.

Action to lift revenues would be good. Super, NG, FBT, CGT exemption etc etc would add tens of billions of dollars of revenue a year. I doubt international companies will have to pay much tax here for quite a while.

And that crap about mandates makes good fertiliser for your gardens  Grin


Why do you want Australia to be in a recession? You seem obsessed with it - it's just about all you talk about.

I am merely pointing out that we are in recession now. Increasing unemployment and underemployment, falling hours worked, falling govt revenues, sluggish wage growth and so on.
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Reply #20 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:45am
 
I would've thought they would call it before MYEFO, once that comes out it will obliterate the illusion the Libtards are better economic managers.
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Reply #21 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:44pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:11am:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:04am:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 7:53am:
Do you think the Libs will miss an opportunity to do some old fashion boomer vote buying?

The next budget will have so much vote buying in it, it will make Howard/Costello wince.


They don't need to. They already have labor in a vice. Polls are 53/47 and likely to rise to 55/45 by election time.  They are undefeatable.


They don't have to but its Liberal party DNA. Every Liberal budget in forever has buggered over working class and vote bought boomers.


You have a very poor memory as one would expect from a socialist.  More welfare had been granted by Liberal governments than Labor.  But we can't expect you know that, do we. Karl Marx didn't tell you how to think about our politics.
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Reply #22 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:50pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:44pm:
You have a very poor memory as one would expect from a socialist.  More welfare had been granted by Liberal governments than Labor.  But we can't expect you know that, do we. Karl Marx didn't tell you how to think about our politics.


If you consider vote buying policies that served nothing "welfare" sure.
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Reply #23 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:23pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:04am:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 7:53am:
Do you think the Libs will miss an opportunity to do some old fashion boomer vote buying?

The next budget will have so much vote buying in it, it will make Howard/Costello wince.


They don't need to. They already have labor in a vice. Polls are 53/47 and likely to rise to 55/45 by election time.  They are undefeatable.



If they try to bring out a budget we may see the numbers reverse.
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Re: Election first or Budget first
Reply #24 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:26pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:44pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:11am:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:04am:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 7:53am:
Do you think the Libs will miss an opportunity to do some old fashion boomer vote buying?

The next budget will have so much vote buying in it, it will make Howard/Costello wince.


They don't need to. They already have labor in a vice. Polls are 53/47 and likely to rise to 55/45 by election time.  They are undefeatable.


They don't have to but its Liberal party DNA. Every Liberal budget in forever has buggered over working class and vote bought boomers.


You have a very poor memory as one would expect from a socialist.  More welfare had been granted by Liberal governments than Labor.  But we can't expect you know that, do we. Karl Marx didn't tell you how to think about our politics.


I think it was  Groucho Marks telling Tony how to think.
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Re: Election first or Budget first
Reply #25 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:59pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:23pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:04am:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 7:53am:
Do you think the Libs will miss an opportunity to do some old fashion boomer vote buying?

The next budget will have so much vote buying in it, it will make Howard/Costello wince.


They don't need to. They already have labor in a vice. Polls are 53/47 and likely to rise to 55/45 by election time.  They are undefeatable.



If they try to bring out a budget we may see the numbers reverse.



They already brought out two budgets which were not well received and where are the polls now?

53/47.

Learn from history for a change.
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Reply #26 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:13pm
 
50:50 and will head south one Malodorous actually does something. The next  Budget will be a horror budget and entirely the wrong prescription for the economy.
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Reply #27 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:41pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:13pm:
50:50 and will head south one Malodorous actually does something. The next  Budget will be a horror budget and entirely the wrong prescription for the economy.



You are quite interesting (from a psychiatric point of view).  There is not a single fact you are not willing to alter so that it fits your beliefs and perspectives.

The only good news is that you did not breed.
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Reply #28 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:47pm
 
If you read outside the Daily Toilet you will have realised the Budget the morons are dreaming up will be an austerity Budget which will only make the recession deeper.
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Re: Election first or Budget first
Reply #29 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:40pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:59pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:23pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:04am:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 7:53am:
Do you think the Libs will miss an opportunity to do some old fashion boomer vote buying?

The next budget will have so much vote buying in it, it will make Howard/Costello wince.


They don't need to. They already have labor in a vice. Polls are 53/47 and likely to rise to 55/45 by election time.  They are undefeatable.



If they try to bring out a budget we may see the numbers reverse.



They already brought out two budgets which were not well received and where are the polls now?

53/47.

Learn from history for a change.


yes, where is the guy that bought out those budgets ... remind us again deary?  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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