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Reply #105 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:44am

Not desperate at all cods.

The GST Act is a Commonwealth law and the Parliament can change it if it wants to. So it can change the rate and it can change the distribution so the C/w gets some of the revenue. Once that change is made the first time the Commonwealth will rapidly increase the rate to 20% or higher. Libs are lousy economic managers and always need more money.

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Reply #106 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:47am

cods wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:40am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:38am:

The states get the GST as it stands ATM. Of course, on its introduction the feds cut various payments to the states.

The federal Parliament can amend the GST Act and keep some or all of the extra GST revenue for themselves.

NO THEY CANT.......THE STATES DECIDE WHO GETS WHAT...

stop making it up..you are a typical desperate lefty.. who believe crapola put out by lefties..

of course the feds can amend the GST act ... did you overdose on stupid pills this morning?

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Reply #107 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:48am

cods wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:36am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:30am:

That is right cods, the GST is a piggybank the Lib govts can go to whenever they spend too much, which is always. As such it is to the detriment of sound economic management.

Raising the GST right now is about the stupidest act by a stupid Party!

I wish Swan had raised the GST to 15% and overcompensated those on the lowest incomes. Now the Libs will raise it and under-compensate those on lowest incomes.

god some are m ore stoooopid than I gave them credit for..

THE STATES GET THE GST HASNT ANYONE TOLD YOU THAT DEAR?

That rule works in the same way that the government can not raise the GST without state approval. I don't know that they will do that but they certainly can if they like.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59372 Here Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #108 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:50am How does all this make all the conservative posters who every election cycle have been trying on the scare tactic of Labor raising the GST and that it is a very bad idea ? Lucky nobody ever believed them.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59372 Here Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #109 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:52am I can imagine how relived and accepting everyone will be when they announce that it will only be increased to 12.5% . I can see this strategy working, people will not work out how much it will cost them till too late.
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Reply #110 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:07am

cods wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:40am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:38am:

The states get the GST as it stands ATM. Of course, on its introduction the feds cut various payments to the states.

The federal Parliament can amend the GST Act and keep some or all of the extra GST revenue for themselves.

NO THEY CANT.......THE STATES DECIDE WHO GETS WHAT...

stop making it up..you are a typical desperate lefty.. who believe crapola put out by lefties..

Of course they could do that. GST is legislation, and legislation can be amended.

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #111 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:21am Taxing our way to prosperity - yeah good idea ! Socialism eventually runs out of RBA thin air money.
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Reply #112 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:25am

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Australian Constitution - Section 81 - Consolidated Revenue Fund

All revenues or moneys raised or received by the Executive Government of the Commonwealth shall form one Consolidated Revenue Fund, to be appropriated for the purposes of the Commonwealth in the manner and subject to the charges and liabilities imposed by this Constitution.

Nothing in the constitution says that the GST must go to the states. They can do as they please with it.

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Reply #113 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:28am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:33am:

Look at Sweden or Norway - I can't remember which it is. They have free health care, free public transport, and so on. They also pay a lot more tax than us but don't mind because they get excellent services from their government for FREE. Can't see that happening here with your narrow "me, me, me, gimme, gimme, gimme" mindset.

It all starts with our crooked politicians, they're in the back pockets of big business being pulled out as required.

So the people see that our leaders are all good for nothing legal crooks and so they take as much as can be taken legally.

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Reply #114 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:31am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:44am:

cods wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:38am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:36am:

We were all sucked in by Howard when he said
that the GST of 10% was set in concrete -

he lied - it was always going to rise.

GOT A LINK TO WHERE HE SAID THAT SUNSHINE???...

the GST is a TAX I have never heard one pollie claim any TAX was set in concrete...but prove me wrong.

OH Cods that was the whole point of the states all having to agree, he said it could never happen.

Remember he wanted to get elected and one of the threats to that was the proposition that the GST would be increased like it has been everywhere else it has been used. He claimed that he could set it up in a way that would prevent it from ever increasing.

It's OK - Cods had a memory lapse.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #115 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:31am

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:21am:

Taxing our way to prosperity - yeah good idea !

Socialism eventually runs out of RBA thin air money.

If our government had this countries cash cows in its hands our streets would be lined with gold.

Too bad they all got sold to a hand full of men.

The really depressing thing about it is they were public assets, they weren't Kennets or Keatings to sell as though their grandpapa left it to them in his will.

We should have had the opportunity to vote on such important matters.

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Reply #116 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:39am

I don't care about "compensation" if they debate the GST hike issue. It's all words constructed sentences to make it appear "logical".
Turnbull and Sinodis are like your teflon speeking sleazy car sales administrators. Their smirks now reveal who they really are.
As for Shorten, he has no idea of real work, he is all talk talk to. He may be labor, but he has not worked for wages that I am aware of.

All of them have no idea what so ever what it's like to survive in real world situations.
Mr Xenophon does. He gets my vote regardless now, there is not much more this Australian nation has to lose.
Mr X for PM in the next election, done deal.

Either way, Liberal or Labor say one thing and do another when elected, this was clearly started bu Gillard with her promise of no carbon tax, then the silky worded sentences make it look other wise. She did not last either.

Politicians must remember, pain, ( economical ), is not something one forgets too easy no matter what the sweetener is, it will make no difference this time.

Everything else they try to "sell" is simply smoke and mirrors. That is what most politicians do best, glorified lawyers.

This nation is run by lawyers, bankers, accountants, which most have no idea or lost the relationship they may have once had of what it is really like try to make ends meet in the real world.

NO GST HIKE, EVER

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #117 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:41am

Ajax wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:31am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:21am:

Taxing our way to prosperity - yeah good idea !

Socialism eventually runs out of RBA thin air money.

If our government had this countries cash cows in its hands our streets would be lined with gold.

Too bad they all got sold to a hand full of men.

The really depressing thing about it is they were public assets, they weren't Kennets or Keatings to sell as though their grandpapa left it to them in his will.

We should have had the opportunity to vote on such important matters.

If the Govt can go into debt without a vote it should be able to sell assets without a vote.

Debt is a defacto tax increase whereas sale of public assets is a defacto tax cut.

Those that don't pay tax therefore don't give a rat's about debt.

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #118 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:41am Ajax wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:31am: The really depressing thing about it is they were public assets, they weren't Kennets or Keatings to sell as though their grandpapa left it to them in his will. What a government gives you, it can also take away from you
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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #119 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:45am

Swagman wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:41am:

Ajax wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:31am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:21am:

Taxing our way to prosperity - yeah good idea !

Socialism eventually runs out of RBA thin air money.

If our government had this countries cash cows in its hands our streets would be lined with gold.

Too bad they all got sold to a hand full of men.

The really depressing thing about it is they were public assets, they weren't Kennets or Keatings to sell as though their grandpapa left it to them in his will.

We should have had the opportunity to vote on such important matters.

If the Govt can go into debt without a vote it should be able to sell assets without a vote.

Debt is a defacto tax increase whereas sale of public assets is a defacto tax cut.

Those that don't pay tax therefore don't give a rat's about debt.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:41am:

Ajax wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:31am:

The really depressing thing about it is they were public assets, they weren't Kennets or Keatings to sell as though their grandpapa left it to them in his will.

What a government gives you, it can also take away from you

With attitudes like that, that's why today we are controlled by a hand full of people that hoard the wealth of all nations in this world.

Sorry fellas the government should be above corporations not vise versa.

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Question: Do you want to have a 15% GST?
Yes 7 (33.3%) No 14 (66.7%) Not sure 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 21 « Created by: Bobby. on: Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm »