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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #120 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:46am Swagman wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:41am: Debt is a defacto tax increase whereas sale of public assets is a defacto tax cut. Come on Swag, you can do better than that
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Reply #121 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:51am

Swagman wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:41am:

If the Govt can go into debt without a vote it should be able to sell assets without a vote.

Debt is a defacto tax increase whereas sale of public assets is a defacto tax cut.

Those that don't pay tax therefore don't give a rat's about debt.

It can sell assets without a vote, just not without consequences.

Using you analogy selling public assets creates a short-term cut, which leads to later long-term increases.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #122 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:00am Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:46am: Swagman wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:41am: Debt is a defacto tax increase whereas sale of public assets is a defacto tax cut. Come on Swag, you can do better than that You disagree? Why?
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Reply #123 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:12am

Just stating a fact Ajax, unless we successfully protest otherwise, the government has the constitutional power to give and to take away. Personally I preferred the public utilities to remain in public hands. Their sale was never about raising funds for infrastructure, it was a bastard act of handing them over to the private sector as an ideological move where the bankers, private companies and politicians have teamed up to control all revenue in a globalised world

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59372 Here Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #124 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 1:01pm Swagman wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:41am: Debt is a defacto tax increase whereas sale of public assets is a defacto tax cut. Very often the sale of public assets results in the loss of income that has to be made up from taxation.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #125 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 1:06pm Swag is, shall we say, simplistic in his economic utterances?
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Reply #126 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 3:00pm

What about the elephant in the room ?? Negative gearing and capital gains concessions for house hoarders draining 9 billion from the tax revenue stream each year !!

How come Malcolm won't even talk about it - instead he wants to penalize people on the lowest incomes who can't even afford to own their own home !!

bugger these pollies and their double standards Sad

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Reply #127 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 3:26pm

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Sorry fellas the government should be above corporations not vise versa.

Absolutely, but try rolling it back now.
The corps have it at the moment till it is bled dry, then they move on. By the time they move on, the politicians of the day have used whatever means possible to nest their eggs.

Is it right in this nation called Australia, where a pensioner has to defer registering a 4 cylinder car because the 51% foreigner of-shore has to appease the shareholders over my electricity bill ? It already has 10% GST.

So let look at the straight numbers

Pension (single ) about 750 PF
Supplement about 120
Total Aprox 900 pf
My rent used to be 25 % of my 750,
BUT, wait on, the SA State Gov ( Foley ) changed the rules
and made it so the 120 supplement paid to me by the Commonwealth is "income".
It also used a formula so it gleans the maximum rent assistance.
So my rent on Gov housing is now 336 pf
900 - 336 = 564 to live on per fortnight.
I don't drink and I do now Vape with the occasional cigar.

Food, bus, expenses and things I call the "dignity house budget"
Where is now the Liberal Government to tell the State Gov,
HANDS OFF THE PENSION SUPPLEMENT !

But Foley was a sneaky bugger, he has now retired, I think too many broken noses, cos he hung out at the strippers and got it one night.
So his and many decisions are based around a pint or 2.

Friends, this nation is running on deluded by alcohol politics.

It is time we we spoke out.

I was in the city today, Rundle Mall in fact.

It has lost it's soul, there was no where I could by an apple from the fruit stall, because it has been sqweezed out by Woolworths and the council friends.

Ya see what I am getting at ?

Corp-orates and like minded politicians are bleeding this nation as we speak.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #128 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 3:29pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 1:06pm: Swag is, shall we say, simplistic in his economic utterances? That's being charitable in the extreme, but...
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #129 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 3:38pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 1:06pm: Swag is, shall we say, simplistic in his economic utterances? That's the only way you Truebelievers have any chance of comprehending them....
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Reply #130 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 3:46pm

Bam wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:33am:

Look at Sweden or Norway - I can't remember which it is. They have free health care, free public transport, and so on. They also pay a lot more tax than us but don't mind because they get excellent services from their government for FREE. Can't see that happening here with your narrow "me, me, me, gimme, gimme, gimme" mindset.

Sweden has just introduced a 30-hour work week. Think about it - they only have to work for 30 hours a week to earn enough tax to pay for all the government services.

The Swedes also have a 25% GST.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18027 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #131 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 4:02pm 'Sweden Personal Income Tax Rate 1995-2015' http://www.tradingeconomics.com/sweden/personal-income-tax-rate 56.9%?
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Reply #132 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 4:38pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 3:00pm:

What about the elephant in the room ?? Negative gearing and capital gains concessions for house hoarders draining 9 billion from the tax revenue stream each year !!

How come Malcolm won't even talk about it - instead he wants to penalize people on the lowest incomes who can't even afford to own their own home !!

bugger these pollies and their double standards Sad

Hear hear sir Nail,

let Longy/Maria get out of that one!

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Reply #133 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 4:39pm

Swagman wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Bam wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:33am:

Look at Sweden or Norway - I can't remember which it is. They have free health care, free public transport, and so on. They also pay a lot more tax than us but don't mind because they get excellent services from their government for FREE. Can't see that happening here with your narrow "me, me, me, gimme, gimme, gimme" mindset.

Sweden has just introduced a 30-hour work week. Think about it - they only have to work for 30 hours a week to earn enough tax to pay for all the government services.

The Swedes also have a 25% GST.

Point is, Swag, they don't mind paying as long as they get value for money.

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Reply #134 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 5:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:23am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:22am:

ozzyoi wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:48pm:

I have not read all the replies, I just want to say my bit.

Since a few weeks ago, on my current pension, my car sits in the driveway, unregistered. It will not get registered, and I have to use public transport, walk ( I am not getting any younger) and sometimes need to come home from the major fortnightly shopping in a taxi. I needed to use the heater a bit more this winter, and I paid dearly for the privilege. Next winter will be warmer clothes, from op shops.
In simple terms, my state gov now gets no money/tax via car rego, petrol etc. I get to keep a bit extra in my pocket, to budget for xmas.
My bet is, they will try to bring in a GST rise by then.

I AM OPPOSED TO ANY GST TAX RISE.

What I am trying to say is, the cost of living has reached a type of "critical mass", in the form things are too expensive to buy, and too expensive to sell due to costs of the retailer.
So even if they raise the GST, if will be zero advantage, maybe worse because people simply will go with less.

AUSTRALIANS MUST STOP BEING JELLY-BACKS ON THE GST ISSUE, AND LET THIS AND ANY FUTURE GOVERNMENT KNOW LOUD AND CLEAR, NO RISE TO THE GST, PERIOD.

We have had enough of all this BS.

I hope there will national street marches, car bumper stickers, letter drops, A4 size placards, and whatever else that can send a message to canberra to ALL political parties,

NO GST HIKE, EVER.

leave it at 10% as it is, we have learnt to live with it. If anything, the nation ought to be budgeted on 10% GST or adjust other things to suit the economy.

To raise the GST, then the Government of the day truly has Socialism in it veins in some form or another.

Turnball, if you make it to raise the GST, you have LOST MY VOTE and I will make some noise if it does get raised,

Pensioner of Australia

Your pension will rise accordingly. You will not be any worse off.

BS not very likely.

Just because you lack the ability to calculate the compensation correctly does not mean people much brighter than you cannot.

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