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Reply #150 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:49pm

Neferti wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Also, it is very hard to get rid of the GST, would have to take away tax cuts—try taking that to an election—and get the states to reimpose all sorts of taxes. So, the GST has proved to be a lousy tax but it is just there, not removable until the economy improves—and it is declining.

A General Service Tax (GST) was much better than the old Wholesale/Retail tax system where some items were taxed as high as 33% as "luxury" items. Things such as TVs and so forth dropped in price, dramatically!

Fairly sure that TV's were not luxury items and TV's etc are going up 30% currently thanks to the RBA and Treasurer deliberately sinking the AUD.

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Reply #151 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:10pm

lee wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

I point out how dishonest the implementation was from the PM who promised to never ever implement a GST it was dead and buried. Without his commitment to never ever have a GST as policy Howard would have never been PM of Australia -his lie on this was monstrous.

And then he went to an election on the promise to introduce the GST.

“win” he got like 48.5% FGS!

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #152 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:10pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

Neferti wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Also, it is very hard to get rid of the GST, would have to take away tax cuts—try taking that to an election—and get the states to reimpose all sorts of taxes. So, the GST has proved to be a lousy tax but it is just there, not removable until the economy improves—and it is declining.

A General Service Tax (GST) was much better than the old Wholesale/Retail tax system where some items were taxed as high as 33% as "luxury" items. Things such as TVs and so forth dropped in price, dramatically!

Fairly sure that TV's were not luxury items and TV's etc are going up 30% currently thanks to the RBA and Treasurer deliberately sinking the AUD.

You are so wrong. The Wholesale tax on many items was at 33% and the GST reduced those to 10%.

What Woollies, Coles and Hardly Normal did was "hide" the fact.

Can you work out what the difference is between 33% on a $5 item and 10% on the same item?

NOBODY really noticed the GST ..... but TVs, computers and so forth DID get cheaper.

IF the GST goes up to 15% it will still be cheaper than some taxes on items BEFORE the GST.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #154 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:20pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:12pm:

Neferti falls into the trap of forgetting the old sales taxes were on wholesale prices.

You have no idea about what went on (in Parliament and elsewhere) regarding the GST, do you? I did.

The GST "across the board" REDUCED prices of many items. What Woolies, Coles and others did is NOT relevant.

I still think the the GST should be 15% or even 20%.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #155 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:20pm

Kat wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:43pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 5:47pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 5:43pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 5:22pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:29am:

The cat's out of the bag.

As soon as the media gets a hold of it, we know it's on the agenda.

We didn't want 10% and we certainly don't want 15%.

Bye bye Turnbull, it was nice having you for a while.

WE actually voted for it

. And even the ALP now accepts it was a good thing. Opposition is just now the province of leftovers like you and DNA.

YOU may have.

I did not (and will not).

Don't care. Surely by now you have worked out that the world is run by the majority and losers like yourself just play with bikes and get angry at everyone instead.

I'm a better, smarter person than you in every way, so why don't you just get back in your carton?

Was it getting into cartons that lead to your being homeless?

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #156 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:22pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

Neferti wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Also, it is very hard to get rid of the GST, would have to take away tax cuts—try taking that to an election—and get the states to reimpose all sorts of taxes. So, the GST has proved to be a lousy tax but it is just there, not removable until the economy improves—and it is declining.

A General Service Tax (GST) was much better than the old Wholesale/Retail tax system where some items were taxed as high as 33% as "luxury" items. Things such as TVs and so forth dropped in price, dramatically!

Fairly sure that TV's were not luxury items and TV's etc are going up 30% currently thanks to the RBA and Treasurer deliberately sinking the AUD.

The RBA does not target the exchange rate. It is not possible to target the interest rate and the exchange rate at the same time.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #157 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:34pm:

lee wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

I point out how dishonest the implementation was from the PM who promised to never ever implement a GST it was dead and buried. Without his commitment to never ever have a GST as policy Howard would have never been PM of Australia -his lie on this was monstrous.

And then he went to an election on the promise to introduce the GST.

True but irrelevant, he would not have been PM without the promise.

Wow.... you are a deluded one, that is for sure. You think Howard won an election by the second biggest margin EVER jst because of comments on the GST?

No wonder you loved the carbon tax. You are crazy.

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Reply #158 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:30pm

Neferti wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:20pm:

The GST "across the board" REDUCED prices of many items. What Woolies, Coles and others did is NOT relevant.

and increased the cost of ten times as many other items .... funnily enough, the stuff you buy every 10 yrs went down, but the stuff you buy daily went up ...

yeaaahh GST Roll Eyes

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75207 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #159 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:30pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm: You think Howard won an election by the second biggest margin EVER jst because of comments on the GST? why not? you seem to think labor lost by the second largest margin ever based on the carbon tax
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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #160 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:30pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:10pm:

lee wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

I point out how dishonest the implementation was from the PM who promised to never ever implement a GST it was dead and buried. Without his commitment to never ever have a GST as policy Howard would have never been PM of Australia -his lie on this was monstrous.

And then he went to an election on the promise to introduce the GST.

“win” he got like 48.5% FGS!

Please read my post. Where does the word "win" appear?

Still having reading and comprehension issues.

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Reply #161 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:47pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:34pm:

lee wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

I point out how dishonest the implementation was from the PM who promised to never ever implement a GST it was dead and buried. Without his commitment to never ever have a GST as policy Howard would have never been PM of Australia -his lie on this was monstrous.

And then he went to an election on the promise to introduce the GST.

True but irrelevant, he would not have been PM without the promise.

Wow.... you are a deluded one, that is for sure. You think Howard won an election by the second biggest margin EVER jst because of comments on the GST?

No wonder you loved the carbon tax. You are crazy.

In 95 Howard was Mr 17 precent he had already been thrown out as opposition leader and the Libs didn't want him back, they had recently lost an election based on Howards GST presented by Hewson.

The only way they would agree to making Howard leader again was on the condition that he had to kill any prospect of a GST stone dead.

In 95 when Howard got the leadership back his numbers were diabolical and they didn't start to turn around till after he killed the prospect of a GST. after that the gap closed and in the end he won but with the threat of a GST over his head likely that the numbers may not have ever started to move in his favour anyway - not that he would have been the Liberal leader.

Howard didn't just perminantly dump the GST he had supported all his political life for no reason, he was forced to do it.

Howards problem wasn't really the electorate it was his party.

Much like we see today with Turnbull put back into the leadership - the conditions are that he keeps many of Abbotts policies.

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Reply #162 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:51pm

Again - why would plans to raise the GST be secret? It's an obvious move from a government bereft of genuine policy thrusts and desperate for a dollar to spend as they choose.

Genuinely creating jobs and a reliable future for the majority, as opposed to chopping the majority off at the knees to garner some form of social control, would be a far better option and would generate far greater revenue via income tax.

Chopping off the leeches in super, negative gearing, wealthfare, and corporate subsidy would help, as well as chopping off the perks and lurks for the privileged class....

Age of Entitlement is over.... unless you are part of the Entitled class.....

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Reply #163 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:53pm

lee wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

I point out how dishonest the implementation was from the PM who promised to never ever implement a GST it was dead and buried. Without his commitment to never ever have a GST as policy Howard would have never been PM of Australia -his lie on this was monstrous.

And then he went to an election on the promise to introduce the GST.

Howard had promised to never ever take a GST to an election, it is not difficult to understand how long never ever ever goes for. In Howards case it went from 1996 to mid 1997, around 8 months.

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Reply #164 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:53pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:47pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:34pm:

lee wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

I point out how dishonest the implementation was from the PM who promised to never ever implement a GST it was dead and buried. Without his commitment to never ever have a GST as policy Howard would have never been PM of Australia -his lie on this was monstrous.

And then he went to an election on the promise to introduce the GST.

True but irrelevant, he would not have been PM without the promise.

Wow.... you are a deluded one, that is for sure. You think Howard won an election by the second biggest margin EVER jst because of comments on the GST?

No wonder you loved the carbon tax. You are crazy.

In 95 Howard was Mr 17 precent he had already been thrown out as opposition leader and the Libs didn't want him back, they had recently lost an election based on Howards GST presented by Hewson.

The only way they would agree to making Howard leader again was on the condition that he had to kill any prospect of a GST stone dead.

In 95 when Howard got the leadership back his numbers were diabolical and they didn't start to turn around till after he killed the prospect of a GST. after that the gap closed and in the end he won but with the threat of a GST over his head likely that the numbers may not have ever started to move in his favour anyway - not that he would have been the Liberal leader.

Howard didn't just perminantly dump the GST he had supported all his political life for no reason, he was forced to do it.

Howards problem wasn't really the electorate it was his party.

Much like we see today with Turnbull put back into the leadership - the conditions are that he keeps many of Abbotts policies.

Bene vocalibus......

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