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Reply #165 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 11:46pm

crocodile wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

Neferti wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Also, it is very hard to get rid of the GST, would have to take away tax cuts—try taking that to an election—and get the states to reimpose all sorts of taxes. So, the GST has proved to be a lousy tax but it is just there, not removable until the economy improves—and it is declining.

A General Service Tax (GST) was much better than the old Wholesale/Retail tax system where some items were taxed as high as 33% as "luxury" items. Things such as TVs and so forth dropped in price, dramatically!

Fairly sure that TV's were not luxury items and TV's etc are going up 30% currently thanks to the RBA and Treasurer deliberately sinking the AUD.

The RBA does not target the exchange rate. It is not possible to target the interest rate and the exchange rate at the same time.

In the same week as the president of the RBA came out with a statement saying that the AUD was significantly overvalued, the Treasurer said almost the same thing.

RBA release Dec 2014.

Quote:

The exchange rate has traded at lower levels recently, in large part reflecting the strengthening US dollar. But the Australian dollar remains above most estimates of its fundamental value, particularly given the significant declines in key commodity prices in recent months. A lower exchange rate is likely to be needed to achieve balanced growth in the economy.

Quote:

Reserve Bank of Australia governor Glenn Stevens wants the dollar to fall to levels last seen a decade ago and says official interest rate cuts need to be delivered in a way that boosts confidence rather than remind people of the economy's woes........He indicated the currency should now be closer to about US75¢;

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/rba-governor-glenn-stevens-says-australian-dollar-better-at-us75-20141211-125g73.html#ixzz3qL8M32NF

The AUD was trading at about 93c at that time - It is now trading at 70c the difference largely driven by comments by the RBA and politicians. Nothing to do with fundamentals.

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Joe Hockey tells RBA he’s not happy with unbiased stance

The Reserve Bank of Australia’s move to a “neutral bias" on monetary policy has angered the Abbott government, which believes any upward pressure on the dollar makes economic management in the next two to three years more difficult.

The central bank has been informed directly of Treasurer Joe Hockey ’s displeasure.

Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/national/joe-hockey-tells-rbahes-not-happy-with-unbiased-stance-20140421-ix3wx#ixzz3qLCljZmY
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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #166 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 11:49pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:51pm:

Again - why would plans to raise the GST be secret? It's an obvious move from a government bereft of genuine policy thrusts and desperate for a dollar to spend as they choose.

Genuinely creating jobs and a reliable future for the majority, as opposed to chopping the majority off at the knees to garner some form of social control, would be a far better option and would generate far greater revenue via income tax.

Chopping off the leeches in super, negative gearing, wealthfare, and corporate subsidy would help, as well as chopping off the perks and lurks for the privileged class....

Age of Entitlement is over.... unless you are part of the Entitled class.....

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Again - why would plans to raise the GST be secret?

With the amount they pay people smugglers there is an obvious on water aspect and you know we can't talk about that.

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Reply #167 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:31am

Neferti wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

Neferti wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Also, it is very hard to get rid of the GST, would have to take away tax cuts—try taking that to an election—and get the states to reimpose all sorts of taxes. So, the GST has proved to be a lousy tax but it is just there, not removable until the economy improves—and it is declining.

A General Service Tax (GST) was much better than the old Wholesale/Retail tax system where some items were taxed as high as 33% as "luxury" items. Things such as TVs and so forth dropped in price, dramatically!

Fairly sure that TV's were not luxury items and TV's etc are going up 30% currently thanks to the RBA and Treasurer deliberately sinking the AUD.

You are so wrong. The Wholesale tax on many items was at 33% and the GST reduced those to 10%.

What Woollies, Coles and Hardly Normal did was "hide" the fact.

Can you work out what the difference is between 33% on a $5 item and 10% on the same item?

NOBODY really noticed the GST ..... but TVs, computers and so forth DID get cheaper.

IF the GST goes up to 15% it will still be cheaper than some taxes on items BEFORE the GST.

Can you work out what the difference is between 33% on a $5 item and 10% on the same item?

You can work out the difference between a variable rate of tax starting at about 8% - 45% on a few wholesale items compared to 10% on everything.

Services were not taxed, there was no tax on your Electricity, gas phone bills or any services.

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Reply #168 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:32am

By the way anyone worked out the difference in GST on your shopping bill if they remove food as an exemption ?

When I currently do a full family shop it can be $330 or so and I pay about $12 GST. This would increase to $33.

Finding an extra $30 to $50 for the average family can be a game changer for their budget and this is just for food. It is also an extra $20 or so on the electricity bill, the rates, gas, phone etc.

This makes the fixed carbon price look like a x'mas present.

I currently buy 2 litres of milk a day @about $3.

A GST of 45 cents per day is $3.15 a week - 12.60 a month and $160 a year and just a little less for bread.

A 15% GST on food would mean an extra $300 a year just for bread and milk for me.

You righties should look at these numbers across the board and work out what this really means for people. Time to put the dogma away and stop being silly.

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Reply #169 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:55am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:47pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:34pm:

lee wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

I point out how dishonest the implementation was from the PM who promised to never ever implement a GST it was dead and buried. Without his commitment to never ever have a GST as policy Howard would have never been PM of Australia -his lie on this was monstrous.

And then he went to an election on the promise to introduce the GST.

True but irrelevant, he would not have been PM without the promise.

Wow.... you are a deluded one, that is for sure. You think Howard won an election by the second biggest margin EVER jst because of comments on the GST?

No wonder you loved the carbon tax. You are crazy.

In 95 Howard was Mr 17 precent he had already been thrown out as opposition leader and the Libs didn't want him back, they had recently lost an election based on Howards GST presented by Hewson.

The only way they would agree to making Howard leader again was on the condition that he had to kill any prospect of a GST stone dead.

In 95 when Howard got the leadership back his numbers were diabolical and they didn't start to turn around till after he killed the prospect of a GST. after that the gap closed and in the end he won but with the threat of a GST over his head likely that the numbers may not have ever started to move in his favour anyway - not that he would have been the Liberal leader.

Howard didn't just perminantly dump the GST he had supported all his political life for no reason, he was forced to do it.

Howards problem wasn't really the electorate it was his party.

Much like we see today with Turnbull put back into the leadership - the conditions are that he keeps many of Abbotts policies.

Garbage from end to end. Howards 18% popularity was in the late 80s. By the time he got the leadership he was getting half-decent polls and the Libs were well in front. His GST comments didn't make any difference and he recorded the Lbs 2nd biggest ever victory.

Retelling of history says a great deal about you and it was all bad.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #170 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:57am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:32am:

By the way anyone worked out the difference in GST on your shopping bill if they remove food as an exemption ?

When I currently do a full family shop it can be $330 or so and I pay about $12 GST. This would increase to $33.

Finding an extra $30 to $50 for the average family can be a game changer for their budget and this is just for food. It is also an extra $20 or so on the electricity bill, the rates, gas, phone etc.

This makes the fixed carbon price look like a x'mas present.

I currently buy 2 litres of milk a day @about $3.

A GST of 45 cents per day is $3.15 a week - 12.60 a month and $160 a year and just a little less for bread.

A 15% GST on food would mean an extra $300 a year just for bread and milk for me.

You righties should look at these numbers across the board and work out what this really means for people. Time to put the dogma away and stop being silly.

What is it about 'compensation' that you cannot understand? You are more than happy to accept and understand te Carbon Tax compensation but when it is a policy by the Liberals suddenly your brain fails you?

COMPENSATION.... work it out.

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Reply #171 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:34am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 11:46pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

Neferti wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Also, it is very hard to get rid of the GST, would have to take away tax cuts—try taking that to an election—and get the states to reimpose all sorts of taxes. So, the GST has proved to be a lousy tax but it is just there, not removable until the economy improves—and it is declining.

A General Service Tax (GST) was much better than the old Wholesale/Retail tax system where some items were taxed as high as 33% as "luxury" items. Things such as TVs and so forth dropped in price, dramatically!

Fairly sure that TV's were not luxury items and TV's etc are going up 30% currently thanks to the RBA and Treasurer deliberately sinking the AUD.

The RBA does not target the exchange rate. It is not possible to target the interest rate and the exchange rate at the same time.

In the same week as the president of the RBA came out with a statement saying that the AUD was significantly overvalued, the Treasurer said almost the same thing.

RBA release Dec 2014.

Quote:

The exchange rate has traded at lower levels recently, in large part reflecting the strengthening US dollar. But the Australian dollar remains above most estimates of its fundamental value, particularly given the significant declines in key commodity prices in recent months. A lower exchange rate is likely to be needed to achieve balanced growth in the economy.

Quote:

Reserve Bank of Australia governor Glenn Stevens wants the dollar to fall to levels last seen a decade ago and says official interest rate cuts need to be delivered in a way that boosts confidence rather than remind people of the economy's woes........He indicated the currency should now be closer to about US75¢;

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/rba-governor-glenn-stevens-says-australian-dollar-better-at-us75-20141211-125g73.html#ixzz3qL8M32NF

The AUD was trading at about 93c at that time - It is now trading at 70c the difference largely driven by comments by the RBA and politicians. Nothing to do with fundamentals.

Quote:

Joe Hockey tells RBA he’s not happy with unbiased stance

The Reserve Bank of Australia’s move to a “neutral bias" on monetary policy has angered the Abbott government, which believes any upward pressure on the dollar makes economic management in the next two to three years more difficult.

The central bank has been informed directly of Treasurer Joe Hockey ’s displeasure.

Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/national/joe-hockey-tells-rbahes-not-happy-with-unbiased-stance-20140421-ix3wx#ixzz3qLCljZmY
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That's all lovely Dna but nothing there that shows the RBA has actually targeted a fixed exchange rate. If you think that the markets can be hoodwinked into slipping demand for the AUD by the Governor's whim then you're nuts. Stevens is simply uttering the likely trend. The dollar is down because the USD is gaining strength, the next interest rate movement is predicted to be down and the arse has fallen out of commodity prices.

The RBA can set an exchange rate by manipulating the money supply but in so doing they lose control of fixed interest rates. If you need more information then google 'open market operations' or get a macro textbook.

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Reply #172 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:39am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:55am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:47pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:34pm:

lee wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

I point out how dishonest the implementation was from the PM who promised to never ever implement a GST it was dead and buried. Without his commitment to never ever have a GST as policy Howard would have never been PM of Australia -his lie on this was monstrous.

And then he went to an election on the promise to introduce the GST.

True but irrelevant, he would not have been PM without the promise.

Wow.... you are a deluded one, that is for sure. You think Howard won an election by the second biggest margin EVER jst because of comments on the GST?

No wonder you loved the carbon tax. You are crazy.

In 95 Howard was Mr 17 precent he had already been thrown out as opposition leader and the Libs didn't want him back, they had recently lost an election based on Howards GST presented by Hewson.

The only way they would agree to making Howard leader again was on the condition that he had to kill any prospect of a GST stone dead.

In 95 when Howard got the leadership back his numbers were diabolical and they didn't start to turn around till after he killed the prospect of a GST. after that the gap closed and in the end he won but with the threat of a GST over his head likely that the numbers may not have ever started to move in his favour anyway - not that he would have been the Liberal leader.

Howard didn't just perminantly dump the GST he had supported all his political life for no reason, he was forced to do it.

Howards problem wasn't really the electorate it was his party.

Much like we see today with Turnbull put back into the leadership - the conditions are that he keeps many of Abbotts policies.

Garbage from end to end. Howards 18% popularity was in the late 80s. By the time he got the leadership he was getting half-decent polls and the Libs were well in front. His GST comments didn't make any difference and he recorded the Lbs 2nd biggest ever victory.

Retelling of history says a great deal about you and it was all bad.

Howard was forced to kill the GST by the party or he would not have been elected as leader - that is a fact.

http://polling.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads/cgi-lib.12936.1.4113C.pdf

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Reply #173 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:22am

Senator Ian Macdonald says he would vote against any increases to the GST

November 3, 2015
News.com.au

LIBERAL Party backbencher Ian Macdonald has vowed to oppose any increase to the GST, saying as a member of the Howard Government he “swore in blood” the tax wouldn’t exceed 10 per cent.

The Queensland Senator said he supports broadening the GST, but “certainly would not be voting for any increase”.

“I was around when this GST proposal was originally introduced and at the time I and everyone around from the Prime Minister down promised that it would never go beyond 10 per cent,” he told ABC News Radio.

‘Swore in blood’ ... Senator Macdonald, right, was a member of the Howard Government that introduced the goods and services tax in July 2000. He is pictured here with the former prime minister in 1997.Source:News Corp Australia

The Goods and Services Tax was introduced by the Howard Government in July 2000.

Speculation the tax could be broadened to apply to some goods and services that are currently exempt, including fresh food, health and education, has been widespread since Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull confirmed all tax reform options were “on the table”.

Senator Macdonald said he couldn’t recall whether or not GST applied to health and education under the original Howard Government proposal, but he wanted “whatever we took to the people at that time” to be adopted now.

“As history shows we had to compromise to get that financial reform though the senate at the time, but it still did interfere with the original proposal that the people of Australia adopted by electing us at that election,” he said.

“I want the GST proposal that our government took to the people and was elected on that promise and that was a broad based GST without exemptions

“My recollection is that it covered everything at the time, but … what I’m saying is whatever we took to the people at that time is what should be adopted now and it would allow for addition money for the states.”

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Reply #174 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:24am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:32am:

By the way anyone worked out the difference in GST on your shopping bill if they remove food as an exemption ?

When I currently do a full family shop it can be $330 or so and I pay about $12 GST. This would increase to $33.

Finding an extra $30 to $50 for the average family can be a game changer for their budget and this is just for food. It is also an extra $20 or so on the electricity bill, the rates, gas, phone etc.

This makes the fixed carbon price look like a x'mas present.

I currently buy 2 litres of milk a day @about $3.

A GST of 45 cents per day is $3.15 a week - 12.60 a month and $160 a year and just a little less for bread.

A 15% GST on food would mean an extra $300 a year just for bread and milk for me.

You righties should look at these numbers across the board and work out what this really means for people. Time to put the dogma away and stop being silly.

Low income earners and the average family

benefit most

from ANY taxation. GST not excluded. Huh

That $300 bucks would be returned in spades, even without any monetary compensation.

Look past your nose for a change.... Grin

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Sir Crook Ex Member	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #175 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:26am LIBERAL Party backbencher Ian Macdonald has vowed to oppose any increase to the GST, saying as a member of the Howard Government he “swore in blood” the tax wouldn’t exceed 10 per cent.
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Reply #176 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:30am

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Just because you lack the ability to calculate the compensation correctly does not mean people much brighter than you cannot.

Exactly maria, I do lack the ability and not too proud to admit I'm not the smartest kid on the block, plus I really don't have the time right here to post exact figures to suit oh your greatness.
I am speaking from a point of principle and survival on the obvious, not a word perfect and number perfect account.
I have stated I am a pensioner, if you want exact figures there are 2 things you need to look up to satisfy your perfection which is publicly available,
1. What pensioners get paid at a centrelink office closest to you, go pick up a pamphlet.
2. 25 % of income is the calculation for the rent to be paid in State owned gov housing, also available in a pamphlet, or ring up your local state housing authority, wait 2 hours and you might be lucky on the day for your call to be answered.
I'll freely give you a tip though, don't ever try to ring up on the first Tuesdays in November, somehow, statistically there seems to be no answer. It's best to go in person.

It's a no brainer really.

Other wise maria, shut the fffffff up unless you have something constructive to say.

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Reply #177 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:12am

ozzyoi wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:30am:

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Just because you lack the ability to calculate the compensation correctly does not mean people much brighter than you cannot.

Exactly maria, I do lack the ability and not too proud to admit I'm not the smartest kid on the block, plus I really don't have the time right here to post exact figures to suit oh your greatness.
I am speaking from a point of principle and survival on the obvious, not a word perfect and number perfect account.
I have stated I am a pensioner, if you want exact figures there are 2 things you need to look up to satisfy your perfection which is publicly available,
1. What pensioners get paid at a centrelink office closest to you, go pick up a pamphlet.
2. 25 % of income is the calculation for the rent to be paid in State owned gov housing, also available in a pamphlet, or ring up your local state housing authority, wait 2 hours and you might be lucky on the day for your call to be answered.
I'll freely give you a tip though, don't ever try to ring up on the first Tuesdays in November, somehow, statistically there seems to be no answer. It's best to go in person.

It's a no brainer really.

Other wise maria, shut the fffffff up unless you have something constructive to say.

Maybe you should have worked harder, spent less and saved more when you were younger so you would OWN a house now.

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Reply #178 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:31am

crocodile wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:34am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 11:46pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

Neferti wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Also, it is very hard to get rid of the GST, would have to take away tax cuts—try taking that to an election—and get the states to reimpose all sorts of taxes. So, the GST has proved to be a lousy tax but it is just there, not removable until the economy improves—and it is declining.

A General Service Tax (GST) was much better than the old Wholesale/Retail tax system where some items were taxed as high as 33% as "luxury" items. Things such as TVs and so forth dropped in price, dramatically!

Fairly sure that TV's were not luxury items and TV's etc are going up 30% currently thanks to the RBA and Treasurer deliberately sinking the AUD.

The RBA does not target the exchange rate. It is not possible to target the interest rate and the exchange rate at the same time.

In the same week as the president of the RBA came out with a statement saying that the AUD was significantly overvalued, the Treasurer said almost the same thing.

RBA release Dec 2014.

Quote:

The exchange rate has traded at lower levels recently, in large part reflecting the strengthening US dollar. But the Australian dollar remains above most estimates of its fundamental value, particularly given the significant declines in key commodity prices in recent months. A lower exchange rate is likely to be needed to achieve balanced growth in the economy.

Quote:

Reserve Bank of Australia governor Glenn Stevens wants the dollar to fall to levels last seen a decade ago and says official interest rate cuts need to be delivered in a way that boosts confidence rather than remind people of the economy's woes........He indicated the currency should now be closer to about US75¢;

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/rba-governor-glenn-stevens-says-australian-dollar-better-at-us75-20141211-125g73.html#ixzz3qL8M32NF

The AUD was trading at about 93c at that time - It is now trading at 70c the difference largely driven by comments by the RBA and politicians. Nothing to do with fundamentals.

Quote:

Joe Hockey tells RBA he’s not happy with unbiased stance

The Reserve Bank of Australia’s move to a “neutral bias" on monetary policy has angered the Abbott government, which believes any upward pressure on the dollar makes economic management in the next two to three years more difficult.

The central bank has been informed directly of Treasurer Joe Hockey ’s displeasure.

Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/national/joe-hockey-tells-rbahes-not-happy-with-unbiased-stance-20140421-ix3wx#ixzz3qLCljZmY
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That's all lovely Dna but nothing there that shows the RBA has actually targeted a fixed exchange rate. If you think that the markets can be hoodwinked into slipping demand for the AUD by the Governor's whim then you're nuts. Stevens is simply uttering the likely trend. The dollar is down because the USD is gaining strength, the next interest rate movement is predicted to be down and the arse has fallen out of commodity prices.

The RBA can set an exchange rate by manipulating the money supply but in so doing they lose control of fixed interest rates. If you need more information then google 'open market operations' or get a macro textbook.

The proof is in the pudding - they were talking down the AUD and it responded by going down ?

Then a bit later the AUD started to recover and the RBA gave the AUD another verbal serve and guess what happened this time - right it fell again.

Awful lot of coincidences. The federal treasurer tells the RBA to put downward pressure on the AUD and then the RBA start talking the currency down. The AUD in response drops and then drops again as a result of the same verbal stimulus.

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Reply #179 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:34am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:57am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:32am:

By the way anyone worked out the difference in GST on your shopping bill if they remove food as an exemption ?

When I currently do a full family shop it can be $330 or so and I pay about $12 GST. This would increase to $33.

Finding an extra $30 to $50 for the average family can be a game changer for their budget and this is just for food. It is also an extra $20 or so on the electricity bill, the rates, gas, phone etc.

This makes the fixed carbon price look like a x'mas present.

I currently buy 2 litres of milk a day @about $3.

A GST of 45 cents per day is $3.15 a week - 12.60 a month and $160 a year and just a little less for bread.

A 15% GST on food would mean an extra $300 a year just for bread and milk for me.

You righties should look at these numbers across the board and work out what this really means for people. Time to put the dogma away and stop being silly.

What is it about 'compensation' that you cannot understand? You are more than happy to accept and understand te Carbon Tax compensation but when it is a policy by the Liberals suddenly your brain fails you?

COMPENSATION.... work it out.

You really think it is possible to compensate every Australian by that sort of number ? You could not be that stupid you are just playing the old record and not thinking.

You need to put that old dogma on a leash and grow a small crop of honesty.

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