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Reply #210 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28am

Swagman wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:38pm:

I didn't say that at all. You need to see a good optometrist. You might find one that bulk bills if you're lucky...... Cheesy

You are Lucky that you often agree with Long Maria or you would be attributed to saying things you didn't almost every day, in fact he-she and other conservatives will happily tell you what you think and believe.

I don't know why they think they know these things as they are never right.

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Reply #211 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28am

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:47pm:

Except when it is a labor-introduced Carbon tax. Then no one was worse off.

you got a quote of anyone saying that?

DNA, Bam etc. Probably you since you sprout garbage on an hourly basis.

BS - obviously people were compensated but the companies who had to pay the fixed rate carbon price were worse off.

Compared to this huge tax increase where there will be virtually no compensation for the majority the cost will be huge.

So when the government says that it will be FULLY COMPENSATED for you hear what? Do you have a filter over your ears and a virus in your brain that prevents you from processing the message?

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Reply #212 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:30am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28am:

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:47pm:

Except when it is a labor-introduced Carbon tax. Then no one was worse off.

you got a quote of anyone saying that?

DNA, Bam etc. Probably you since you sprout garbage on an hourly basis.

BS - obviously people were compensated but the companies who had to pay the fixed rate carbon price were worse off.

Compared to this huge tax increase where there will be virtually no compensation for the majority the cost will be huge.

So when the government says that it will be FULLY COMPENSATED for you hear what? Do you have a filter over your ears and a virus in your brain that prevents you from processing the message?

So Longy/Maria is right behind more taxes!

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Reply #213 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:37am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28am:

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:47pm:

Except when it is a labor-introduced Carbon tax. Then no one was worse off.

you got a quote of anyone saying that?

DNA, Bam etc. Probably you since you sprout garbage on an hourly basis.

BS - obviously people were compensated but the companies who had to pay the fixed rate carbon price were worse off.

Compared to this huge tax increase where there will be virtually no compensation for the majority the cost will be huge.

So when the government says that it will be FULLY COMPENSATED for you hear what? Do you have a filter over your ears and a virus in your brain that prevents you from processing the message?

Nobody ever said that anyone would be fully compensated and in fact the cut off for any compensation is proposed at a very moderate $100K.

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Reply #214 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:39am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:30am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28am:

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:47pm:

Except when it is a labor-introduced Carbon tax. Then no one was worse off.

you got a quote of anyone saying that?

DNA, Bam etc. Probably you since you sprout garbage on an hourly basis.

BS - obviously people were compensated but the companies who had to pay the fixed rate carbon price were worse off.

Compared to this huge tax increase where there will be virtually no compensation for the majority the cost will be huge.

So when the government says that it will be FULLY COMPENSATED for you hear what? Do you have a filter over your ears and a virus in your brain that prevents you from processing the message?

So Longy/Maria is right behind more taxes!

Only when proposed by a Liberal government of course otherwise it is just greed and waste obviously.

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Reply #215 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:57am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:37am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28am:

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:47pm:

Except when it is a labor-introduced Carbon tax. Then no one was worse off.

you got a quote of anyone saying that?

DNA, Bam etc. Probably you since you sprout garbage on an hourly basis.

BS - obviously people were compensated but the companies who had to pay the fixed rate carbon price were worse off.

Compared to this huge tax increase where there will be virtually no compensation for the majority the cost will be huge.

So when the government says that it will be FULLY COMPENSATED for you hear what? Do you have a filter over your ears and a virus in your brain that prevents you from processing the message?

Nobody ever said that anyone would be fully compensated and in fact the cut off for any compensation is proposed at a very moderate $100K.

So while on one hand you support full compensation for the poor and higher taxes for the rich when the Libs do EXACTLY that, you criticise?

Imagine why no one takes your position seriously since it varies on an hourly basis?

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Reply #216 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:59am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:30am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28am:

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:47pm:

Except when it is a labor-introduced Carbon tax. Then no one was worse off.

you got a quote of anyone saying that?

DNA, Bam etc. Probably you since you sprout garbage on an hourly basis.

BS - obviously people were compensated but the companies who had to pay the fixed rate carbon price were worse off.

Compared to this huge tax increase where there will be virtually no compensation for the majority the cost will be huge.

So when the government says that it will be FULLY COMPENSATED for you hear what? Do you have a filter over your ears and a virus in your brain that prevents you from processing the message?

So Longy/Maria is right behind more taxes!

Only when proposed by a Liberal government of course otherwise it is just greed and waste obviously.

Longy gets paid $2 for every post supporting the Libbos.

That's why he's on here all the time.

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Reply #217 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:32am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:57am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:37am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28am:

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:47pm:

Except when it is a labor-introduced Carbon tax. Then no one was worse off.

you got a quote of anyone saying that?

DNA, Bam etc. Probably you since you sprout garbage on an hourly basis.

BS - obviously people were compensated but the companies who had to pay the fixed rate carbon price were worse off.

Compared to this huge tax increase where there will be virtually no compensation for the majority the cost will be huge.

So when the government says that it will be FULLY COMPENSATED for you hear what? Do you have a filter over your ears and a virus in your brain that prevents you from processing the message?

Nobody ever said that anyone would be fully compensated and in fact the cut off for any compensation is proposed at a very moderate $100K.

So while on one hand you support full compensation for the poor and higher taxes for the rich when the Libs do EXACTLY that, you criticise?

Imagine why no one takes your position seriously since it varies on an hourly basis?

$100K family income is not rich and I doubt that the compensation would be adequate or well delivered.

As a tax setting at $100K family income the consequences for going slightly over would be drastic.

There are better ways to increase revenue than this money grab. When you look at how much this will cost the average family it becomes a real worry.

This is the fixed carbon price X 1000 with very many people on moderate incomes just left uncompensated.

Nobody has mentioned that implementing this would likely put us into recession, we were lucky in 2000 but today our economy is substantially more vulnerable.

Last time the RBA saved us by reducing interest rates - what could they do to kick start a failing economy today - not much.

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Reply #218 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:57am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:37am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28am:

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:47pm:

Except when it is a labor-introduced Carbon tax. Then no one was worse off.

you got a quote of anyone saying that?

DNA, Bam etc. Probably you since you sprout garbage on an hourly basis.

BS - obviously people were compensated but the companies who had to pay the fixed rate carbon price were worse off.

Compared to this huge tax increase where there will be virtually no compensation for the majority the cost will be huge.

So when the government says that it will be FULLY COMPENSATED for you hear what? Do you have a filter over your ears and a virus in your brain that prevents you from processing the message?

Nobody ever said that anyone would be fully compensated and in fact the cut off for any compensation is proposed at a very moderate $100K.

So while on one hand you support full compensation for the poor and higher taxes for the rich when the Libs do EXACTLY that, you criticise?

Imagine why no one takes your position seriously since it varies on an hourly basis?

$100K family income is not rich and I doubt that the compensation would be adequate or well delivered.

As a tax setting at $100K family income the consequences for going slightly over would be drastic.

There are better ways to increase revenue than this money grab. When you look at how much this will cost the average family it becomes a real worry.

This is the fixed carbon price X 1000 with very many people on moderate incomes just left uncompensated.

Nobody has mentioned that implementing this would likely put us into recession, we were lucky in 2000 but today our economy is substantially more vulnerable.

Last time the RBA saved us by reducing interest rates - what could they do to kick start a failing economy today - not much.

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package. The same party will be in charge of this one as well. And are you really that silly that you think compensation will suddenly cut off at $100K? It will be scaled, naturally. And, $100K is simply a current suggestion, not a fait accompli.

And the recession furphy is rubbish. Didn't happen last time, hasn't happened anywhere else either. Stop making things up!

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Reply #220 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:05am

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package

Did it? I'm gonna make a bet that you just made that up Grin

Was that Paul Keating's GST or John Hewson's? Cheesy

GST/ VAT was just so totally inevitable in Western nations on account of their aging populations.

When you have a declining number of income tax-payers to tax-dependents which justabout ALL Western nations have, it just makes such obvious sense to have some sought of broad based consumption tax.

Keating knew that even back in his day. Sad

Justabout every Western democracy has some sort of GST / VAT. The Scandinavians are the best examples. GSTs of around 25%.

Australia rec'd $57 Billion in GST revenues last year. Simply put at 25% it would get around $142 Billion.

Imagine if the Govt put an extra $85 Billion dollars into hospitals, health and education per annum?

If Keating hadn't howled down Hewson's GST for some extra time in the Lodge the budget would have has an extra $28.5 Billion this year alone and 50% more GST revenues for the last 20 years. Sad

Increases to the GST are inevitable. The more we delay the less money that will be available for health, education and hospitals.

You Lefties are your own worst enemies. GST revenues mostly benefit the disadvantaged. Roll Eyes

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #221 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:58am Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:32am: $100K family income is not rich and I doubt that the compensation would be adequate or well delivered. Or any at all. There's a chance that the Liberals will point to the unremoved carbon price compensation and say "there's your compensation."
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Reply #222 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:00am

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package

Did it? I'm gonna make a bet that you just made that up Grin

Was that Paul Keating's GST or John Hewson's? Cheesy

GST/ VAT was just so totally inevitable in Western nations on account of their aging populations.

When you have a declining number of income tax-payers to tax-dependents which justabout ALL Western nations have, it just makes such obvious sense to have some sought of broad based consumption tax.

Keating knew that even back in his day. Sad

Justabout every Western democracy has some sort of GST / VAT. The Scandinavians are the best examples. GSTs of around 25%.

Australia rec'd $57 Billion in GST revenues last year. Simply put at 25% it would get around $142 Billion.

Imagine if the Govt put an extra $85 Billion dollars into hospitals, health and education per annum?

If Keating hadn't howled down Hewson's GST for some extra time in the Lodge the budget would have has an extra $28.5 Billion this year alone and 50% more GST revenues for the last 20 years. Sad

Increases to the GST are inevitable. The more we delay the less money that will be available for health, education and hospitals.

You Lefties are your own worst enemies. GST revenues mostly benefit the disadvantaged. Roll Eyes

Focus Swag ... I was looking for proof of Maria's claim ... if you've got any I'm sure she'd appreciate it since she seems to be having trouble finding it

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Reply #223 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:01am

We have huge wasteful tax expenditures to be cut and erased before we even think about changing the GST.

Superannuation tax exemptions are increasing so fast that any increase in GST revenues will go nowhere near plugging that gap. $50Bn this year, much more next financial year. Not sustainable and the super exemptions do not lead to savings towards retirement.

If you are worried about the ratio of retirees to workers the answer is simple: let those on the Age Pension work without their pension being affected. Would allow a huge cut to be made in the Centrelink workforce who can then do more productive work.

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Reply #224 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:47am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package. The same party will be in charge of this one as well. And are you really that silly that you think compensation will suddenly cut off at $100K? It will be scaled, naturally. And, $100K is simply a current suggestion, not a fait accompli.

And the recession furphy is rubbish. Didn't happen last time, hasn't happened anywhere else either. Stop making things up!

So you keep saying - not sure that anyone believes you. The GST implementation was a disaster for everyone concerned and the compensation was inadequate.

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