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Reply #225 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:10am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package. The same party will be in charge of this one as well. And are you really that silly that you think compensation will suddenly cut off at $100K? It will be scaled, naturally. And, $100K is simply a current suggestion, not a fait accompli.

And the recession furphy is rubbish. Didn't happen last time, hasn't happened anywhere else either. Stop making things up!

And, $100K is simply a current suggestion, not a fait accompli.

That was only pointed out as a result of your claim of inferred 100% compensation for all.

No it is one of the current suggestions some have no reference to compensation at all. We can only really comment on what is on the table and at the moment that is $100K.

you think compensation will suddenly cut off at $100K? It will be scaled

You just make up what you would like them to do - the release is clear in what it is saying 100K full stop - end of story - catch ya when the mud dries - good by see you later - that's it.

They only want to do this so that the government gets a lot more money, they won't get a lot more money if they give it all back. The vast majority of people end up thousands possibly many thousands worse off.

You can not compensate people in their tax return to pay for food they need today and if you try to pay it at the week to week rate you will be creating a huge tax debt for those who accidentally slip over the limit.

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Reply #226 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:12am

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package

Did it? I'm gonna make a bet that you just made that up Grin

Was that Paul Keating's GST or John Hewson's? Cheesy

GST/ VAT was just so totally inevitable in Western nations on account of their aging populations.

When you have a declining number of income tax-payers to tax-dependents which justabout ALL Western nations have, it just makes such obvious sense to have some sought of broad based consumption tax.

Keating knew that even back in his day. Sad

Justabout every Western democracy has some sort of GST / VAT. The Scandinavians are the best examples. GSTs of around 25%.

Australia rec'd $57 Billion in GST revenues last year. Simply put at 25% it would get around $142 Billion.

Imagine if the Govt put an extra $85 Billion dollars into hospitals, health and education per annum?

If Keating hadn't howled down Hewson's GST for some extra time in the Lodge the budget would have has an extra $28.5 Billion this year alone and 50% more GST revenues for the last 20 years. Sad

Increases to the GST are inevitable. The more we delay the less money that will be available for health, education and hospitals.

You Lefties are your own worst enemies. GST revenues mostly benefit the disadvantaged. Roll Eyes

Focus Swag ... I was looking for proof of Maria's claim ... if you've got any I'm sure she'd appreciate it since she seems to be having trouble finding it

Sorry, didn't mean to be on topic.... Cheesy

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #227 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:46am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

We have huge wasteful tax expenditures to be cut and erased before we even think about changing the GST.

Superannuation tax exemptions are increasing so fast that any increase in GST revenues will go nowhere near plugging that gap. $50Bn this year, much more next financial year. Not sustainable and the super exemptions do not lead to savings towards retirement.

If you are worried about the ratio of retirees to workers the answer is simple: let those on the Age Pension work without their pension being affected. Would allow a huge cut to be made in the Centrelink workforce who can then do more productive work.

Abolish the means testing for the pension and superannuation concessions.

Everyone gets the pension and pays the same taxes on their other retirement income as everyone else.

Simpler and fairer.

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Reply #228 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:53am

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:12am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package

Did it? I'm gonna make a bet that you just made that up Grin

Was that Paul Keating's GST or John Hewson's? Cheesy

GST/ VAT was just so totally inevitable in Western nations on account of their aging populations.

When you have a declining number of income tax-payers to tax-dependents which justabout ALL Western nations have, it just makes such obvious sense to have some sought of broad based consumption tax.

Keating knew that even back in his day. Sad

Justabout every Western democracy has some sort of GST / VAT. The Scandinavians are the best examples. GSTs of around 25%.

Australia rec'd $57 Billion in GST revenues last year. Simply put at 25% it would get around $142 Billion.

Imagine if the Govt put an extra $85 Billion dollars into hospitals, health and education per annum?

If Keating hadn't howled down Hewson's GST for some extra time in the Lodge the budget would have has an extra $28.5 Billion this year alone and 50% more GST revenues for the last 20 years. Sad

Increases to the GST are inevitable. The more we delay the less money that will be available for health, education and hospitals.

You Lefties are your own worst enemies. GST revenues mostly benefit the disadvantaged. Roll Eyes

Focus Swag ... I was looking for proof of Maria's claim ... if you've got any I'm sure she'd appreciate it since she seems to be having trouble finding it

Sorry, didn't mean to be on topic.... Cheesy

you weren't ... the topic isn't "the bullshit excuses the libs give for the GST'

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #229 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:53am

Bam wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:46am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

We have huge wasteful tax expenditures to be cut and erased before we even think about changing the GST.

Superannuation tax exemptions are increasing so fast that any increase in GST revenues will go nowhere near plugging that gap. $50Bn this year, much more next financial year. Not sustainable and the super exemptions do not lead to savings towards retirement.

If you are worried about the ratio of retirees to workers the answer is simple: let those on the Age Pension work without their pension being affected. Would allow a huge cut to be made in the Centrelink workforce who can then do more productive work.

Abolish the means testing for the pension and superannuation concessions.

Everyone gets the pension and pays the same taxes on their other retirement income as everyone else.

Simpler and fairer.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #230 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:58am Simpler and fairer and tens of billions of dollars become available. We could build a real NBN
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Reply #232 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:07am

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package

Did it? I'm gonna make a bet that you just made that up Grin

Longy has stated this before but has never provided any evidence. Undercompensating those on low incomes might be OK when a boom is about to start but now we are in recession taxing consumption is only going to depress consumption.

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Reply #233 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:12am

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:12am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package

Did it? I'm gonna make a bet that you just made that up Grin

Was that Paul Keating's GST or John Hewson's? Cheesy

GST/ VAT was just so totally inevitable in Western nations on account of their aging populations.

When you have a declining number of income tax-payers to tax-dependents which justabout ALL Western nations have, it just makes such obvious sense to have some sought of broad based consumption tax.

Keating knew that even back in his day. Sad

Justabout every Western democracy has some sort of GST / VAT. The Scandinavians are the best examples. GSTs of around 25%.

Australia rec'd $57 Billion in GST revenues last year. Simply put at 25% it would get around $142 Billion.

Imagine if the Govt put an extra $85 Billion dollars into hospitals, health and education per annum?

If Keating hadn't howled down Hewson's GST for some extra time in the Lodge the budget would have has an extra $28.5 Billion this year alone and 50% more GST revenues for the last 20 years. Sad

Increases to the GST are inevitable. The more we delay the less money that will be available for health, education and hospitals.

You Lefties are your own worst enemies. GST revenues mostly benefit the disadvantaged. Roll Eyes

Focus Swag ... I was looking for proof of Maria's claim ... if you've got any I'm sure she'd appreciate it since she seems to be having trouble finding it

Sorry, didn't mean to be on topic.... Cheesy

Normally you would get a warning but since it is you we know that it won't happen again.

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Reply #234 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:13am

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package

Did it? I'm gonna make a bet that you just made that up Grin

No he says that a lot - he made it up a long time ago.

He has repeated it that often that I am sure he has convinced himself that it is true.

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Reply #235 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package. The same party will be in charge of this one as well. And are you really that silly that you think compensation will suddenly cut off at $100K? It will be scaled, naturally. And, $100K is simply a current suggestion, not a fait accompli.

And the recession furphy is rubbish. Didn't happen last time, hasn't happened anywhere else either. Stop making things up!

So you keep saying - not sure that anyone believes you. The GST implementation was a disaster for everyone concerned and the compensation was inadequate.

And that is why no one takes you seriously. Even Labor admits it was done well and supports it. OECD did the same and it was such a 'disaster' that Howard won the next two elections. Even the voters disagree with you.

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Reply #236 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:17pm

Labor never said it was well done. It was a crappy implementation and the undercompensation of those on low incomes is now depressing demand. There was the delay in the States removing various taxes etc.

I think you lie a LOT!

What REALLY was praised was the distribution of the compensation for the Carbon Price, especially the tripling of the tax free threshold. Got lots more people working that.

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Reply #237 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:12am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:12am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package

Did it? I'm gonna make a bet that you just made that up Grin

Was that Paul Keating's GST or John Hewson's? Cheesy

GST/ VAT was just so totally inevitable in Western nations on account of their aging populations.

When you have a declining number of income tax-payers to tax-dependents which justabout ALL Western nations have, it just makes such obvious sense to have some sought of broad based consumption tax.

Keating knew that even back in his day. Sad

Justabout every Western democracy has some sort of GST / VAT. The Scandinavians are the best examples. GSTs of around 25%.

Australia rec'd $57 Billion in GST revenues last year. Simply put at 25% it would get around $142 Billion.

Imagine if the Govt put an extra $85 Billion dollars into hospitals, health and education per annum?

If Keating hadn't howled down Hewson's GST for some extra time in the Lodge the budget would have has an extra $28.5 Billion this year alone and 50% more GST revenues for the last 20 years. Sad

Increases to the GST are inevitable. The more we delay the less money that will be available for health, education and hospitals.

You Lefties are your own worst enemies. GST revenues mostly benefit the disadvantaged. Roll Eyes

Focus Swag ... I was looking for proof of Maria's claim ... if you've got any I'm sure she'd appreciate it since she seems to be having trouble finding it

Sorry, didn't mean to be on topic.... Cheesy

Normally you would get a warning but since it is you we know that it won't happen again.

Is it now against the Rules to be on topic? That figures.... Grin

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Reply #238 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:32pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package. The same party will be in charge of this one as well. And are you really that silly that you think compensation will suddenly cut off at $100K? It will be scaled, naturally. And, $100K is simply a current suggestion, not a fait accompli.

And the recession furphy is rubbish. Didn't happen last time, hasn't happened anywhere else either. Stop making things up!

So you keep saying - not sure that anyone believes you. The GST implementation was a disaster for everyone concerned and the compensation was inadequate.

And that is why no one takes you seriously. Even Labor admits it was done well and supports it. OECD did the same and it was such a 'disaster' that Howard won the next two elections. Even the voters disagree with you.

Even Labor admits it was done well and supports it.

Around 2004 Labor stopped opposing it, this isn't the same thing.

Labors main opposition was always about the implementation, in theory Labor always supported the principal of a GST. Labor backed out of the Keating tax cart GST because they could not find a way to fairly implement it.

The Liberals have no problems with a fair implementation - that aspect was irrelevant to them.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18027 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #239 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:54pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:32pm: Labor backed out of the Keating tax cart GST because they could not find a way to fairly implement it. Keating ran scared.
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