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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75207 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #240 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:54pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:08pm: Even Labor admits it was done well and supports it. really? link please? or did you think you were going to get away with making crap up?
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Reply #241 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:57pm

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Keating ran scared.

no he wasn't .. Keating was responsible for more reform than the next 5 PMs after him. He wasn't scared but he was politically astute

Australia wasn't ready for the GST and Keating knew it. Even Howard had to promise 'never ever a GST' back then to win govt. GST was a topic for years before it was passed, by then many more people were comfortable with it ... and still, it only passed because the democrats lied.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18027 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #242 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:01pm John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:57pm: Australia wasn't ready for the GST and Keating knew it. Exactly, didn’t take it to an election because he ran scared.
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Reply #243 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:02pm

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Australia wasn't ready for the GST and Keating knew it.

Exactly, didn’t take it to an election because he ran scared.

there is a difference between being scared and being astute

Keating was astute, he knew what he could get away with and what he couldn't, and he pushed it to the limit

Costello was scared, he would have won the election if he had the balls to challenge

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Reply #244 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:04pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Labor never said it was well done. It was a crappy implementation and the undercompensation of those on low incomes is now depressing demand. There was the delay in the States removing various taxes etc.

I think you lie a LOT!

What REALLY was praised was the distribution of the compensation for the Carbon Price, especially the tripling of the tax free threshold. Got lots more people working that.

Do you get your nonsense from tea leaves of the contents of your adult diaper? Not one word of your rubbish is supported and is complete garbage.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75207 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #245 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:06pm I've noticed you've never supported one word you've made either Maria ... still waiting for that link!!!!
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Reply #246 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:03pm

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Australia wasn't ready for the GST and Keating knew it.

Exactly, didn’t take it to an election because he ran scared.

Keating was treasurer when he floated the idea. Hawke was PM and scotched it. He couldn't have taken to an election even he wanted to. In '93 he'd look like a right goose running the same platform as his opponent.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Reply #247 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:23pm

crocodile wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Australia wasn't ready for the GST and Keating knew it.

Exactly, didn’t take it to an election because he ran scared.

Keating was treasurer when he floated the idea. Hawke was PM and scotched it. He couldn't have taken to an election even he wanted to. In '93 he'd look like a right goose running the same platform as his opponent.

Why? He would have at least been honest instead of the weasel he obviously was. And it came in anyhow, so it was nothing but a grab for power for which he was supremely punished.

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Reply #248 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:31pm

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

The original GSt implementation won high praise from the OECD for its seamless implementation and compensation package

Did it? I'm gonna make a bet that you just made that up Grin

Was that Paul Keating's GST or John Hewson's? Cheesy

GST/ VAT was just so totally inevitable in Western nations on account of their aging populations.

When you have a declining number of income tax-payers to tax-dependents which justabout ALL Western nations have, it just makes such obvious sense to have some sought of broad based consumption tax.

Keating knew that even back in his day. Sad

Justabout every Western democracy has some sort of GST / VAT. The Scandinavians are the best examples. GSTs of around 25%.

Australia rec'd $57 Billion in GST revenues last year. Simply put at 25% it would get around $142 Billion.

Imagine if the Govt put an extra $85 Billion dollars into hospitals, health and education per annum?

If Keating hadn't howled down Hewson's GST for some extra time in the Lodge the budget would have has an extra $28.5 Billion this year alone and 50% more GST revenues for the last 20 years. Sad

Increases to the GST are inevitable. The more we delay the less money that will be available for health, education and hospitals.

You Lefties are your own worst enemies. GST revenues mostly benefit the disadvantaged. Roll Eyes

That is wishful thinking -

the truth is - no matter how much money
the Govt. gets they will spend it all & borrow more.

Look at Turnbull - he's borrowing $100 million per day!!

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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 59361 Here Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #249 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:38pm lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:01pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:57pm: Australia wasn't ready for the GST and Keating knew it. Exactly, didn’t take it to an election because he ran scared. Labor dropped the GST because they could not work out how to fairly implement it.
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Reply #250 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:40pm

crocodile wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Australia wasn't ready for the GST and Keating knew it.

Exactly, didn’t take it to an election because he ran scared.

Keating was treasurer when he floated the idea. Hawke was PM and scotched it. He couldn't have taken to an election even he wanted to. In '93 he'd look like a right goose running the same platform as his opponent.

Why not: Me Too politics is not uncommon, he didn't take it to that election because they had dumped the idea.

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Reply #251 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:41pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:30am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28am:

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:47pm:

Except when it is a labor-introduced Carbon tax. Then no one was worse off.

you got a quote of anyone saying that?

DNA, Bam etc. Probably you since you sprout garbage on an hourly basis.

BS - obviously people were compensated but the companies who had to pay the fixed rate carbon price were worse off.

Compared to this huge tax increase where there will be virtually no compensation for the majority the cost will be huge.

So when the government says that it will be FULLY COMPENSATED for you hear what? Do you have a filter over your ears and a virus in your brain that prevents you from processing the message?

So Longy/Maria is right behind more taxes!

Only when proposed by a Liberal government of course otherwise it is just greed and waste obviously.

Maria/Longy gets paid $2 for every post supporting the Libbos.

That's why he's on here all the time.

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Reply #252 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:43pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:58am:

Simpler and fairer and tens of billions of dollars become available. We could build a real NBN Wink

It is great when they shake the money tree and tens of Billion fall off - OH - oh sorry wait that isn't how it works, the reality is that we get to give them tens of billions of our Dollars.

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Reply #253 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:46pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Labor never said it was well done. It was a crappy implementation and the undercompensation of those on low incomes is now depressing demand. There was the delay in the States removing various taxes etc.

I think you lie a LOT!

What REALLY was praised was the distribution of the compensation for the Carbon Price, especially the tripling of the tax free threshold. Got lots more people working that.

Do you get your nonsense from tea leaves of the contents of your adult diaper? Not one word of your rubbish is supported and is complete garbage.

Being an authority and recognised master of those methods you have to be taken seriously - unfortunately.

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Reply #254 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:03pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Australia wasn't ready for the GST and Keating knew it.

Exactly, didn’t take it to an election because he ran scared.

Labor dropped the GST because they could not work out how to fairly implement it.

Close...

They dropped it because they could not work it out... period.

And yet amazingly now, they support it 100%.

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