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Reply #15 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:19am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:55am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:52am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:37am:

They will increase the GST to 12.5% all this talk about 15% is designed to make us feel good about 12.5.

The target was never 15%, that is just an ambit claim put up because they think we are all stupid.

I weep for you and your small expectations and ideas. I doubt you've ever had a large vision in your entire life.

WOW now a huge tax increase is a large vision - (insert abusive term questioning intelligence).

It is CHANGE - something you don't seem to be able to handle. It is a compensated-for tax increase but what you seem to struggle with is CHANGE.

The only one saying it is fully compensated for is you and in fact if it is compensated for there is no point in doing it, the reason for increasing a tax is to get more money from us.

i.e. "typed very slowly" - they want more money and they want to take it from us. You get it ?

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Reply #16 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:29am

Also another large part is protecting Australian retail by killing imports.

I no longer can afford to buy imported goods, the price (collapsing AUD) + shipping makes a $10 book from Amazon go up to $30, throw 15% GST on that and its $35... for a $10 book.

I wanted a new video card, $600 on Newegg, once I worked out the price to import, it was over $1000 Australian (and I could pick it up for slightly cheaper at local store MSY).

15% GST on imported goods is the final death knell for online shopping in Australia

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Reply #17 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:34am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:33am:

Look at Sweden or Norway - I can't remember which it is. They have free health care, free public transport, and so on. They also pay a lot more tax than us but don't mind because they get excellent services from their government for FREE. Can't see that happening here with your narrow "me, me, me, gimme, gimme, gimme" mindset.

Two pizzas a 4 glasses of coke cost me $140 Au in Norway 15 yrs ago .... I'm not so sure you want to emulate Norway, it has some of the highest costs of living in the world.

they also have higher wages, don't fund private education or health, a lot of their industries are government owned, they have a huge percentage of the population employed in the public sector and pay unemployment benefits at the same rate as your previous salary was before dropping it to 80% after 6 months. Before they discovered oil, Norway was almost a 3rd world country.

You still want to look at Norway dopey?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107035 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #18 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:00am Notice there is no talk of reducing the wages of public servants instead - just more & more taxes.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59372 Here Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #19 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:03am Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first.
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18805 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #20 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05am Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:03am: Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first. Increase the GST and lower income taxes should be the priority.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107035 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #21 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:06am Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:03am: Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first. Increase the GST and lower income taxes should be the priority. What's the point of lowering our PAYE tax & then taking it back with a higher GST?
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Reply #22 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:08am

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:33am:

Look at Sweden or Norway - I can't remember which it is. They have free health care, free public transport, and so on. They also pay a lot more tax than us but don't mind because they get excellent services from their government for FREE. Can't see that happening here with your narrow "me, me, me, gimme, gimme, gimme" mindset.

Two pizzas a 4 glasses of coke cost me $140 Au in Norway 15 yrs ago .... I'm not so sure you want to emulate Norway, it has some of the highest costs of living in the world.

they also have higher wages, don't fund private education or health, a lot of their industries are government owned, they have a huge percentage of the population employed in the public sector and pay unemployment benefits at the same rate as your previous salary was before dropping it to 80% after 6 months. Before they discovered oil, Norway was almost a 3rd world country.

You still want to look at Norway dopey?

Why the hell should taxpayers fund private education or private health? Hello??? That's what your membership fees are for, dopey!!!

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26415 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #23 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:09am Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:03am: Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first. The GST should be 15% and should apply to EVERYTHING. The government could then abolish stamp duty and a myriad of other taxes while still recording an increase in revenue.
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Reply #24 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:27am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:08am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:33am:

Look at Sweden or Norway - I can't remember which it is. They have free health care, free public transport, and so on. They also pay a lot more tax than us but don't mind because they get excellent services from their government for FREE. Can't see that happening here with your narrow "me, me, me, gimme, gimme, gimme" mindset.

Two pizzas a 4 glasses of coke cost me $140 Au in Norway 15 yrs ago .... I'm not so sure you want to emulate Norway, it has some of the highest costs of living in the world.

they also have higher wages, don't fund private education or health, a lot of their industries are government owned, they have a huge percentage of the population employed in the public sector and pay unemployment benefits at the same rate as your previous salary was before dropping it to 80% after 6 months. Before they discovered oil, Norway was almost a 3rd world country.

You still want to look at Norway dopey?

Why the hell should taxpayers fund private education or private health? Hello??? That's what your membership fees are for, dopey!!!

I agree, they shouldn't ... the govt. should pull all funding from private hospitals and schools, and remove all rebates for private health insurance. ... funnily enough you're usually the idiot that argues FOR those things Cheesy

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Reply #25 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:28am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:09am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:03am:

Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first.

The GST should be 15% and should apply to EVERYTHING. The government could then abolish stamp duty and a myriad of other taxes while still recording an increase in revenue.

the govt. was supposed to abolish stamp duty the last time around. .... along with a myriad of other taxes ... instead we got the GST, and they kept a large portion of the taxes that were supposed to be removed.

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Reply #26 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:46am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:06am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:03am:

Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first.

Increase the GST and lower income taxes should be the priority.

What's the point of lowering our PAYE tax & then taking it back with a higher GST?

The point is that it redistributed the tax burden away from the wealthy and towards the poor.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59372 Here Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #27 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:56am We are in the position we are primarily because the Howard government reduced mostly the high range income tax further than was affordable. The obvious first step is to return income tax to the correct level.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #28 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 11:01am Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:03am: Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first. Increase the GST and lower income taxes should be the priority.
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Reply #29 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 11:07am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:56am:

We are in the position we are primarily because the Howard government reduced mostly the high range income tax further than was affordable.

The obvious first step is to return income tax to the correct level.

Maybe we should restore it to where it was even long before that, with maybe about 12 steps leading up to 60-70%.

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Question: Do you want to have a 15% GST?
Yes 7 (33.3%) No 14 (66.7%) Not sure 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 21 « Created by: Bobby. on: Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm »