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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #270 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:00am

Kat wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:48am:

Bam wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Australia wasn't ready for the GST and Keating knew it.

Exactly, didn’t take it to an election because he ran scared.

Keating was treasurer when he floated the idea. Hawke was PM and scotched it. He couldn't have taken to an election even he wanted to. In [highlight]'93 he'd look like a right goose running the same platform as his opponent[/highlight].

Why? He would have at least been honest instead of the weasel he obviously was. And it came in anyhow, so it was nothing but a grab for power for which he was supremely punished.

Keating WON the 1993 GST election. Grin

FAIL.

The one time I voted for the coalition.

Shame Hewson didn't get up, actually, because if he had we'd never have
been subjected to the odious Howard or the even more odious Abbott.

hey aren't you the same wonker that said you would never vote liberal Make up your f3456 mind Grin

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #271 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:02am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

Does the plans to broaden the GST base include investments ?

If not why not ?

'investments' are neither a product nor a service. Financial services however are currently free of GSt and there is some talk of including them, but that also means including food and the removing of other exemptions.

Simply fixed we just make it a GSIT and really broaden the base in a manner that would make it more fair and reasonable. pick up some of those who avoid the GST.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #272 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:12am

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

Kat wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:48am:

Bam wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Australia wasn't ready for the GST and Keating knew it.

Exactly, didn’t take it to an election because he ran scared.

Keating was treasurer when he floated the idea. Hawke was PM and scotched it. He couldn't have taken to an election even he wanted to. In [highlight]'93 he'd look like a right goose running the same platform as his opponent[/highlight].

Why? He would have at least been honest instead of the weasel he obviously was. And it came in anyhow, so it was nothing but a grab for power for which he was supremely punished.

Keating WON the 1993 GST election. Grin

FAIL.

The one time I voted for the coalition.

Shame Hewson didn't get up, actually, because if he had we'd never have
been subjected to the odious Howard or the even more odious Abbott.

hey aren't you the same wonker that said you would never vote liberal Make up your f3456 mind Grin

Not sure it means that, If I were to say that today I may not necessarily mean that I hadn't voted that way in the past. I can see why anyone may assume that but is it valid ?

I almost voted for Howard in 1996 based on his commitments, I got lucky in not doing it which is the reason that I was so disappointed with his lies. He almost suckered me into believing him. He taught me a valuable lesson.

Before Howard I was a swinging voter but I am afraid that it was the last time a Liberal is going to lie to me and get away with it.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #273 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:19am

Bam wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Australia wasn't ready for the GST and Keating knew it.

Exactly, didn’t take it to an election because he ran scared.

Keating was treasurer when he floated the idea. Hawke was PM and scotched it. He couldn't have taken to an election even he wanted to. In [highlight]'93 he'd look like a right goose running the same platform as his opponent[/highlight].

Why? He would have at least been honest instead of the weasel he obviously was. And it came in anyhow, so it was nothing but a grab for power for which he was supremely punished.

Keating WON the 1993 GST election. Grin

FAIL.

I was rather obviously referring to the 96 election.

So how are you liking the Morgan poll numbers?

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #274 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:21am Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:32am: Oh yeah, GST could be removed: just have to go to an election promising to undo tax cuts and the reimposition of state taxes. Simple—to a simpleton like Longy! Well that was Labor's 1998 election position!
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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #275 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:53am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:19am:

Bam wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Australia wasn't ready for the GST and Keating knew it.

Exactly, didn’t take it to an election because he ran scared.

Keating was treasurer when he floated the idea. Hawke was PM and scotched it. He couldn't have taken to an election even he wanted to. In [highlight]'93 he'd look like a right goose running the same platform as his opponent[/highlight].

Why? He would have at least been honest instead of the weasel he obviously was. And it came in anyhow, so it was nothing but a grab for power for which he was supremely punished.

Keating WON the 1993 GST election. Grin

FAIL.

I was rather obviously referring to the 96 election.

So how are you liking the Morgan poll numbers?

I was rather obviously referring to the 96 election.

WOW. you were ? I have no idea how anyone could have figured that out.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #276 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:55am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:32am:

Oh yeah, GST could be removed: just have to go to an election promising to undo tax cuts and the reimposition of state taxes. Simple—to a simpleton like Longy!

Well that was Labor's 1998 election position!

In 1998 there was no GST to remove, I suspect you mean the 2001 election policy.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #277 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:02am

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

Kat wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:48am:

Bam wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Australia wasn't ready for the GST and Keating knew it.

Exactly, didn’t take it to an election because he ran scared.

Keating was treasurer when he floated the idea. Hawke was PM and scotched it. He couldn't have taken to an election even he wanted to. In [highlight]'93 he'd look like a right goose running the same platform as his opponent[/highlight].

Why? He would have at least been honest instead of the weasel he obviously was. And it came in anyhow, so it was nothing but a grab for power for which he was supremely punished.

Keating WON the 1993 GST election. Grin

FAIL.

The one time I voted for the coalition.

Shame Hewson didn't get up, actually, because if he had we'd never have
been subjected to the odious Howard or the even more odious Abbott.

hey aren't you the same wonker that said

you would never vote liberal

Make up your f3456 mind Grin

That was once Howard turned up.

Comprehension really isn't your strong point, is it?

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Reply #278 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:08am

Quote:

Quote:
Just because you lack the ability to calculate the compensation correctly does not mean people much brighter than you cannot.

Exactly maria, I do lack the ability and not too proud to admit I'm not the smartest kid on the block, plus I really don't have the time right here to post exact figures to suit oh your greatness.
I am speaking from a point of principle and survival on the obvious, not a word perfect and number perfect account.
I have stated I am a pensioner, if you want exact figures there are 2 things you need to look up to satisfy your perfection which is publicly available,
1. What pensioners get paid at a centrelink office closest to you, go pick up a pamphlet.
2. 25 % of income is the calculation for the rent to be paid in State owned gov housing, also available in a pamphlet, or ring up your local state housing authority, wait 2 hours and you might be lucky on the day for your call to be answered.
I'll freely give you a tip though, don't ever try to ring up on the first Tuesdays in November, somehow, statistically there seems to be no answer. It's best to go in person.

It's a no brainer really.

Other wise maria, shut the fffffff up unless you have something constructive to say.

maria replied
Maybe you should have worked harder, spent less and saved more when you were younger so you would OWN a house now.

Ha ! Have your ever been asked by a psychiatrists this question,
"would you throw stones at those who live in glass
houses" ?
And what is your reply ?
However
Obviously your reply is a cop out pass the buck type of reply. Says very very much about your ability.

As for house ownership, hey, life has it's circumstances, and yes I have worked where tax was 60% of gross income at the time, and have owned a business.
But, circumstances and I am grateful for the gov owned housing, I been in and never rent defaulted, never had dept collectors knocking on my door, and I need no Visa or credit to live.
I KNOW how to live your royal high-ness-toffee nosed maria.

A GST hike above the current 10% will $$murder$$ this nation.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #279 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:22am

ozzyoi wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

Quote:

Quote:
Just because you lack the ability to calculate the compensation correctly does not mean people much brighter than you cannot.

Exactly maria, I do lack the ability and not too proud to admit I'm not the smartest kid on the block, plus I really don't have the time right here to post exact figures to suit oh your greatness.
I am speaking from a point of principle and survival on the obvious, not a word perfect and number perfect account.
I have stated I am a pensioner, if you want exact figures there are 2 things you need to look up to satisfy your perfection which is publicly available,
1. What pensioners get paid at a centrelink office closest to you, go pick up a pamphlet.
2. 25 % of income is the calculation for the rent to be paid in State owned gov housing, also available in a pamphlet, or ring up your local state housing authority, wait 2 hours and you might be lucky on the day for your call to be answered.
I'll freely give you a tip though, don't ever try to ring up on the first Tuesdays in November, somehow, statistically there seems to be no answer. It's best to go in person.

It's a no brainer really.

Other wise maria, shut the fffffff up unless you have something constructive to say.

maria replied
Maybe you should have worked harder, spent less and saved more when you were younger so you would OWN a house now.

Ha ! Have your ever been asked by a psychiatrists this question,
"would you throw stones at those who live in glass
houses" ?
And what is your reply ?
However
Obviously your reply is a cop out pass the buck type of reply. Says very very much about your ability.

As for house ownership, hey, life has it's circumstances, and yes I have worked where tax was 60% of gross income at the time, and have owned a business.
But, circumstances and I am grateful for the gov owned housing, I been in and never rent defaulted, never had dept collectors knocking on my door, and I need no Visa or credit to live.
I KNOW how to live your royal high-ness-toffee nosed maria.

A GST hike above the current 10% will $$murder$$ this nation.

A rise in GST will also give you an increase in your welfare and assistance packages to at least compensate and probably more. So, what's the problem?

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Reply #280 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:54am

ozzyoi wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

Quote:

Quote:
Just because you lack the ability to calculate the compensation correctly does not mean people much brighter than you cannot.

Exactly maria, I do lack the ability and not too proud to admit I'm not the smartest kid on the block, plus I really don't have the time right here to post exact figures to suit oh your greatness.
I am speaking from a point of principle and survival on the obvious, not a word perfect and number perfect account.
I have stated I am a pensioner, if you want exact figures there are 2 things you need to look up to satisfy your perfection which is publicly available,
1. What pensioners get paid at a centrelink office closest to you, go pick up a pamphlet.
2. 25 % of income is the calculation for the rent to be paid in State owned gov housing, also available in a pamphlet, or ring up your local state housing authority, wait 2 hours and you might be lucky on the day for your call to be answered.
I'll freely give you a tip though, don't ever try to ring up on the first Tuesdays in November, somehow, statistically there seems to be no answer. It's best to go in person.

It's a no brainer really.

Other wise maria, shut the fffffff up unless you have something constructive to say.

maria replied
Maybe you should have worked harder, spent less and saved more when you were younger so you would OWN a house now.

Ha ! Have your ever been asked by a psychiatrists this question,
"would you throw stones at those who live in glass
houses" ?
And what is your reply ?
However
Obviously your reply is a cop out pass the buck type of reply. Says very very much about your ability.

As for house ownership, hey, life has it's circumstances, and yes I have worked where tax was 60% of gross income at the time, and have owned a business.
But, circumstances and I am grateful for the gov owned housing, I been in and never rent defaulted, never had dept collectors knocking on my door, and I need no Visa or credit to live.
I KNOW how to live your royal high-ness-toffee nosed maria.

A GST hike above the current 10% will $$murder$$ this nation.

It will be the straw that broke the came's back.

We are coming into a recession/depression, austerity measures are the last thing we need.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #281 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:55am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

A rise in GST will also give you an increase in your welfare and assistance packages to at least compensate and probably more. So, what's the problem?

you don't read to well do you .. he already told you

ozzyoi wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

A GST hike above the current 10% will $$murder$$ this nation.

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Reply #282 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:49am

but.... but... but... but... maria's going to claim the pension.... maybe she needs to work harder now and organise funding for herself.... unless she plans to rip off the government by hiding assets and cash... government ever catch you hiding a property in Grekaslavia or wherever and not declaring it - they'll hang you by the balls... or whatever...

You're obliged to declare those on your tax returns already, though I'm sure there are many who don't. One day Uncle Mal will catch them all..... then there'll be hell to pay.. or back pay.....

Personally I'd show no mercy to those who hide assets and incomes.....

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #283 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:52am

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

A rise in GST will also give you an increase in your welfare and assistance packages to at least compensate and probably more. So, what's the problem?

you don't read to well do you .. he already told you

ozzyoi wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

A GST hike above the current 10% will $$murder$$ this nation.

Will stifle small business...... when people's limited incomes are sucked away on food and such - as these clowns want - they won't be buying the new TV for another couple of years or so... already retail is struggling....

I agree with the old pensioner on A current Affair (yeah - I know - only a step high in the gutter than TT) who said that politicians should live on the pension amount for a while and get in touch with their inner pensioner.... or their inner pauper.. whichever comes first...

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Reply #284 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:04pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

ozzyoi wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

Quote:

Quote:
Just because you lack the ability to calculate the compensation correctly does not mean people much brighter than you cannot.

Exactly maria, I do lack the ability and not too proud to admit I'm not the smartest kid on the block, plus I really don't have the time right here to post exact figures to suit oh your greatness.
I am speaking from a point of principle and survival on the obvious, not a word perfect and number perfect account.
I have stated I am a pensioner, if you want exact figures there are 2 things you need to look up to satisfy your perfection which is publicly available,
1. What pensioners get paid at a centrelink office closest to you, go pick up a pamphlet.
2. 25 % of income is the calculation for the rent to be paid in State owned gov housing, also available in a pamphlet, or ring up your local state housing authority, wait 2 hours and you might be lucky on the day for your call to be answered.
I'll freely give you a tip though, don't ever try to ring up on the first Tuesdays in November, somehow, statistically there seems to be no answer. It's best to go in person.

It's a no brainer really.

Other wise maria, shut the fffffff up unless you have something constructive to say.

maria replied
Maybe you should have worked harder, spent less and saved more when you were younger so you would OWN a house now.

Ha ! Have your ever been asked by a psychiatrists this question,
"would you throw stones at those who live in glass
houses" ?
And what is your reply ?
However
Obviously your reply is a cop out pass the buck type of reply. Says very very much about your ability.

As for house ownership, hey, life has it's circumstances, and yes I have worked where tax was 60% of gross income at the time, and have owned a business.
But, circumstances and I am grateful for the gov owned housing, I been in and never rent defaulted, never had dept collectors knocking on my door, and I need no Visa or credit to live.
I KNOW how to live your royal high-ness-toffee nosed maria.

A GST hike above the current 10% will $$murder$$ this nation.

A rise in GST will also give you an increase in your welfare

and assistance packages to at least compensate and probably more

. So, what's the problem?

Really?

There wasn't when the GST was introduced (apart from a paltry and
parsimonious one-off payment, which was quickly clawed back).

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