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Reply #285 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:09pm

Kat wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Really?

There wasn't when the GST was introduced (apart from a paltry and
parsimonious one-off payment, which was quickly clawed back).

'From 1 July 2000, a pension supplement (known also as the GST pension supplement) was introduced as part of the reforms associated with the introduction of the GST. '

http://guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/5/2/8/10

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Reply #286 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:12pm

Kat wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Really?

There wasn't when the GST was introduced (apart from a paltry and
parsimonious one-off payment, which was quickly clawed back).

And the tax cuts for other than the top end were soon dragged back by bracket creep.... once you're in that top group there is no bracket creep.. maybe we need to introduce one.... or a few more gradations in the tax scales...

Initiate Tax Reform! (just practicing my Tony style there - with three word slogans)....

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Reply #287 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:13pm

lee wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Really?

There wasn't when the GST was introduced (apart from a paltry and
parsimonious one-off payment, which was quickly clawed back).

'From 1 July 2000, a pension supplement (known also as the GST pension supplement) was introduced as part of the reforms associated with the introduction of the GST. '

http://guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/5/2/8/10

Doubling the pensions would have been adequate...

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18027 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #288 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:15pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:13pm: Doubling the pensions would have been adequate... but the claim was a one-off payment.
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Reply #289 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:57pm

lee wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

Doubling the pensions would have been adequate...

but the claim was a one-off payment.

From memory the next scheduled pension increase was cancelled so the compensation became an advance on what they were going to get anyway.

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Reply #290 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:54pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

A rise in GST will also give you an increase in your welfare and assistance packages to at least compensate and probably more. So, what's the problem?

you don't read to well do you .. he already told you

ozzyoi wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

A GST hike above the current 10% will $$murder$$ this nation.

Will stifle small business...... when people's limited incomes are sucked away on food and such - as these clowns want - they won't be buying the new TV for another couple of years or so... already retail is struggling....

I agree with the old pensioner on A current Affair (yeah - I know - only a step high in the gutter than TT) who said that politicians should live on the pension amount for a while and get in touch with their inner pensioner.... or their inner pauper.. whichever comes first...

Maybe pensioners should work 80 hours a week and get abused for the priviledge. See how they like that?

Anyhow, what exactly is people's problem with COMPENSATION? Do you not understand this concept?

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Reply #291 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:55pm

Kat wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

ozzyoi wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

Quote:

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Just because you lack the ability to calculate the compensation correctly does not mean people much brighter than you cannot.

Exactly maria, I do lack the ability and not too proud to admit I'm not the smartest kid on the block, plus I really don't have the time right here to post exact figures to suit oh your greatness.
I am speaking from a point of principle and survival on the obvious, not a word perfect and number perfect account.
I have stated I am a pensioner, if you want exact figures there are 2 things you need to look up to satisfy your perfection which is publicly available,
1. What pensioners get paid at a centrelink office closest to you, go pick up a pamphlet.
2. 25 % of income is the calculation for the rent to be paid in State owned gov housing, also available in a pamphlet, or ring up your local state housing authority, wait 2 hours and you might be lucky on the day for your call to be answered.
I'll freely give you a tip though, don't ever try to ring up on the first Tuesdays in November, somehow, statistically there seems to be no answer. It's best to go in person.

It's a no brainer really.

Other wise maria, shut the fffffff up unless you have something constructive to say.

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Maybe you should have worked harder, spent less and saved more when you were younger so you would OWN a house now.

Ha ! Have your ever been asked by a psychiatrists this question,
"would you throw stones at those who live in glass
houses" ?
And what is your reply ?
However
Obviously your reply is a cop out pass the buck type of reply. Says very very much about your ability.

As for house ownership, hey, life has it's circumstances, and yes I have worked where tax was 60% of gross income at the time, and have owned a business.
But, circumstances and I am grateful for the gov owned housing, I been in and never rent defaulted, never had dept collectors knocking on my door, and I need no Visa or credit to live.
I KNOW how to live your royal high-ness-toffee nosed maria.

A GST hike above the current 10% will $$murder$$ this nation.

A rise in GST will also give you an increase in your welfare

and assistance packages to at least compensate and probably more

. So, what's the problem?

Really?

There wasn't when the GST was introduced (apart from a paltry and
parsimonious one-off payment, which was quickly clawed back).

Pension rates were increased. DOLE payments were increased.

Naturally you forget that.

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Reply #292 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:06pm

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Pensioners push for extra GST compensation

PM Archive - Tuesday, 20 March , 2001 00:00:00

Reporter: Alexandra Kirk

COMPERE: Back to Canberra now and a bridge too far, that's how the Government sees the increase pensioners want in their GST compensation.

Having abandoned plans to tax trust companies and looking towards increasing compensation for dairy farmers affected by industry deregulation, the government says the push for change on pensions is a despicable Labor scare campaign.

Pensioner groups say today's two per cent rise is not enough to cover the cost increases caused by the GST. They want another two per cent because the Government's original compensation package was inadequate.

Political correspondent Alexandra Kirk.

ALEXANDRA KIRK: The good news, according to the government, is pensions have now broken through the magic $400 mark and that since 1998 the Coalition's commitment to pensioners has been worth $4 billion more than if they'd had a Labor Government.

But that hasn't rung the grateful bell from pensioner groups. The Pensioner and Superannuants Federation protested outside the Prime Minister's Sydney electorate office today.

PENSIONER: Today we get $7.90 instead of $15.80 per fortnight. That's what we get and I don't care what Vanstone's says, or your Prime Minister says, it doesn't add up for us.

ALEXANDRA KIRK: And the Council on the Aging's Dennis Correll hasn't muted his call for a better deal for pensioners. He suspects the adequacy of the pension post-GST will be an election issue.

DENNIS CORRELL: They're telling us that they're struggling to survive on the pension, that's the bottom line. The other issue, which has been there right from the beginning, is was this level of compensation enough? We have said from the beginning it is an underestimate.

ALEXANDRA KIRK: John Howard says he isn't diddling pensions, that the 2 per cent advance paid last year was an extra one-off payment and everybody knew it.

JOHN HOWARD: What happened was that some of the pension increase due now was paid nine months in advance. All we are doing is avoiding a double payment.

The original GST compensation to pensioners (2%) was part of an increase that they were going to get anyway.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107027 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #293 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm Just added a poll: Do you want to have a 15% GST?
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Reply #294 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:22pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:43am:

____ wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:35am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:52am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:37am:

They will increase the GST to 12.5% all this talk about 15% is designed to make us feel good about 12.5.

The target was never 15%, that is just an ambit claim put up because they think we are all stupid.

I weep for you and your small expectations and ideas. I doubt you've ever had a large vision in your entire life.

This thread isn't about abusing other posters. It's about Liberals wanting to attack low income households across the country.

Now lets see if the Libs can break the mould and link their higher tax with a $50 a week rise in dole payments and pensions.

$100 for the dolies and $50 for the pensioners, all types, but especially aged......mwah! next year for this little duck.

What is a DOLIES?

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Reply #295 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:58pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

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Pensioners push for extra GST compensation

PM Archive - Tuesday, 20 March , 2001 00:00:00

Reporter: Alexandra Kirk

COMPERE: Back to Canberra now and a bridge too far, that's how the Government sees the increase pensioners want in their GST compensation.

Having abandoned plans to tax trust companies and looking towards increasing compensation for dairy farmers affected by industry deregulation, the government says the push for change on pensions is a despicable Labor scare campaign.

Pensioner groups say today's two per cent rise is not enough to cover the cost increases caused by the GST. They want another two per cent because the Government's original compensation package was inadequate.

Political correspondent Alexandra Kirk.

ALEXANDRA KIRK: The good news, according to the government, is pensions have now broken through the magic $400 mark and that since 1998 the Coalition's commitment to pensioners has been worth $4 billion more than if they'd had a Labor Government.

But that hasn't rung the grateful bell from pensioner groups. The Pensioner and Superannuants Federation protested outside the Prime Minister's Sydney electorate office today.

PENSIONER: Today we get $7.90 instead of $15.80 per fortnight. That's what we get and I don't care what Vanstone's says, or your Prime Minister says, it doesn't add up for us.

ALEXANDRA KIRK: And the Council on the Aging's Dennis Correll hasn't muted his call for a better deal for pensioners. He suspects the adequacy of the pension post-GST will be an election issue.

DENNIS CORRELL: They're telling us that they're struggling to survive on the pension, that's the bottom line. The other issue, which has been there right from the beginning, is was this level of compensation enough? We have said from the beginning it is an underestimate.

ALEXANDRA KIRK: John Howard says he isn't diddling pensions, that the 2 per cent advance paid last year was an extra one-off payment and everybody knew it.

JOHN HOWARD: What happened was that some of the pension increase due now was paid nine months in advance. All we are doing is avoiding a double payment.

The original GST compensation to pensioners (2%) was part of an increase that they were going to get anyway.

You should perhaps read it with a open mind and a clear head. Pensioners were given GST compensation.

You really don't understand this concept, do you? It is curious that you don't. I've not considered you and idiot of the JS mould, but maybe I was wrong.

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #296 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:59pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm: Just added a poll: Do you want to have a 15% GST? What a stupid question. Without detailing it along with a compensation package, the question is meaningless.
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Reply #297 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 5:19pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

Maybe pensioners should work 80 hours a week and get abused for the priviledge. See how they like that?

Anyhow, what exactly is people's problem with COMPENSATION? Do you not understand this concept?

Been there - done that - nothing to learn here....

For a couple hundred grand a year and all found for free plus everything else - I'd say it would be pretty easy to ignore the petty whining of those forced to live for a week on the amount of tax-free sustenance money I'd receive for visiting Canberra for one day...

It's hard work, but someone has to do it.....

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Reply #298 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 5:20pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Just added a poll:

Do you want to have a 15% GST?

What a stupid question. Without detailing it along with a compensation package, the question is meaningless.

Why bother with a compensation package when we don't want a GST at all? Not even in the discussion.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #299 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 5:28pm The compensation will not be enough, it never is. With the neocons deciding the compensation it will be woefully inadequate just like last time.
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Question: Do you want to have a 15% GST?
Yes 7 (33.3%) No 14 (66.7%) Not sure 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 21 « Created by: Bobby. on: Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm »