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Question: Do you want to have a 15% GST?

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Reply #45 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:48pm
 
Labor voter wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:12pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:04pm:
Just ignore infrastructure deficit for 2 decades, selling off Australias gold reserves far below market value crashing the global gold exchange, selling off all public infrastructure to mates which has further hampered infrastructure investment in Australia, giving away 350 billion in vote buying.

A monkey could have given Australia a surplus from the mid 90s to mid-00s.



A money did give Australia a surplus from the mid 90s to mid 00s they were know as Howard and Costello.


Hmm so based upon your Welcome Reply #575 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:04am, by branding Howard & Costello with a detrimental name I guess it "shows me that you have lost this argument" LV..... Cheesy

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As you can tell by my display name I am a labor voter and have been since I first started voting in 1966, so there is no way I will change now. As far as I am concern people that change their votes all the time e.g. swinging voters, are only worry about what they can get from the government not is what is good for all Australians.

If we are talking about something and you start to call me names all it does is shows me that you have lost the argument. Just remember that sticks and stones might break my bones but names will never hurt me.

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Reply #46 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:58pm
 
Pleas for a political truce with the Labor states on GST ignored

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    November 1, 2015
    The Age

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is not afraid to raise the GST as part of a broader tax reform package, Arthur Sinodinos says - but the Cabinet Secretary has warned the states would have to be at least be "neutral" and not "hostile" to the idea.

However, the prospect of a political truce appeared unlikely with Victorian Labor Premier Daniel Andrews immediately restating his opposition and vowing to fight any increase to the consumption tax in the lead up to the next election.   Smiley



News Corp reported on Sunday that Treasury has offered the Coalition four main GST reform options.

These were previously provided to former prime minister Tony Abbott and include:

·      raising the GST to 15 per cent and impose it currently exempted goods and services including food, health and education

·      raising the GST to 15 per cent but continuing the exemption on fresh food but not on health and education

·      raising the GST to 15 per cent

·      raising the GST to 12.5 per cent

Cabinet Secretary Arthur Sinodinos said the new prime minister was keen to maximise his political capital and use it to win the consent of the people for tax reform at the next election.

"If you're someone like Malcolm Turnbull if you want to do something substantial you've got to do it quickly and upfront," Senator Sinodinos told Sky.

"You have to do it soon in the context of putting stuff to an election rather than seeking to foist something on people before an election."

Any tax increase would involve other tax trade-offs, possibly clamping down on superannuation concessions for the rich and potential tax incentives for the lower paid. Senator Sinodinos stressed the need for any tax package to be fair and share the burden of reform equally between the wealthy and those less well-off.

Senator Sinodinos said the Coalition was conscious of fighting for higher consumption taxes and against the Labor states and federal opposition.

"We have to make sure that in the run-up to the election, states are at least neutral on the issue as opposed to actively hostile," he said.

But a spokesman for Victorian Labor Premier Daniel Andrews said on Sunday he would fight any proposal to increase the GST from 10 per cent.   Smiley

"Simply jacking up the GST to 15 per cent is not genuine reform. The GST is not a fair tax, it has no regard for a person's capacity to pay," the spokesman said.

But Fairfax Media understands that if Mr Turnbull were to win an election on the issue the Victorian Government would respect his mandate.

Opposition leader Bill Shorten told reporters before flying out on a four day visit to Pacific nations, that federal Labor would also oppose a hike in the GST.   Smiley

Speaking at Essendon airport on Sunday morning, Mr Shorten said a hike in the GST would predominantly hit low-to-middle income earners.

"The truth of the matter is people with lower incomes spend more of their income on the cost of living and the items people need just to get by," Mr Shorten said.

"This is going to squeeze people already finding it hard to save."

He added that if the government were going to compensate people for a GST-hike then the question had to be asked: "why increase the GST to begin with?"

Mr Shorten said instead the government should seek to cut back on superannuation concessions for high income earners and to draw more tax revenue from multi-national companies.   Smiley
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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #47 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:13pm
 
crocodile wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:31pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:06am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:05am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:03am:
Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first.


Increase the GST and lower income taxes should be the priority.




What's the point of lowering our PAYE tax & then taking it back with a higher GST?


PAYE taxes carry higher deadweight losses.


Yes they take money from people who have some and not from people who don't.
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Reply #48 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:16pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:07am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:56am:
We are in the position we are primarily because the Howard government reduced mostly the high range income tax further than was affordable.

The obvious first step is to return income tax to the correct level.


Maybe we should restore it to where it was even long before that, with maybe about 12 steps leading up to 60-70%.


I would think that a more moderate approach would do the job and also look at collecting a lot of the tax being avoided legal or not and taxing the multi nationals a reasonable amount.

We don't really have an income problem it is just that we don't bother to collect the money which should be paid.
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Reply #49 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:19pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:40pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:29am:
Also another large part is protecting Australian retail by killing imports.

I no longer can afford to buy imported goods, the price (collapsing AUD) + shipping makes a $10 book from Amazon go up to $30, throw 15% GST on that and its $35... for a $10 book.

I wanted a new video card, $600 on Newegg, once I worked out the price to import, it was over $1000 Australian (and I could pick it up for slightly cheaper at local store MSY).

15% GST on imported goods is the final death knell for online shopping in Australia


And I can buy an item that costs $600 here for $100 overseas. By the time it gets to me it is around $220. I am still massively better off.



That is one way unemployed is so high. You are not spending money in Australia to keep the economy ticking over
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Opinions are like arseholes everyone got one.

It doesn't mean that your opinion or my opinion is right


See my post in the welcome thread reply #575 and you will know what I am like
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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #50 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:21pm
 
Labor voter wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:19pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:40pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:29am:
Also another large part is protecting Australian retail by killing imports.

I no longer can afford to buy imported goods, the price (collapsing AUD) + shipping makes a $10 book from Amazon go up to $30, throw 15% GST on that and its $35... for a $10 book.

I wanted a new video card, $600 on Newegg, once I worked out the price to import, it was over $1000 Australian (and I could pick it up for slightly cheaper at local store MSY).

15% GST on imported goods is the final death knell for online shopping in Australia


And I can buy an item that costs $600 here for $100 overseas. By the time it gets to me it is around $220. I am still massively better off.



That is one way unemployed is so high. You are not spending money in Australia to keep the economy ticking over




Rubbish - you can't buy many of the things you want here -

a lot of stuff is only available from Ebay.
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Reply #51 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:21pm
 
Swagman wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:48pm:
Labor voter wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:12pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:04pm:
Just ignore infrastructure deficit for 2 decades, selling off Australias gold reserves far below market value crashing the global gold exchange, selling off all public infrastructure to mates which has further hampered infrastructure investment in Australia, giving away 350 billion in vote buying.

A monkey could have given Australia a surplus from the mid 90s to mid-00s.



A money did give Australia a surplus from the mid 90s to mid 00s they were know as Howard and Costello.


Hmm so based upon your Welcome Reply #575 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:04am, by branding Howard & Costello with a detrimental name I guess it "shows me that you have lost this argument" LV..... Cheesy

Labor voter wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:04am:
Hi all

As you can tell by my display name I am a labor voter and have been since I first started voting in 1966, so there is no way I will change now. As far as I am concern people that change their votes all the time e.g. swinging voters, are only worry about what they can get from the government not is what is good for all Australians.

If we are talking about something and you start to call me names all it does is shows me that you have lost the argument. Just remember that sticks and stones might break my bones but names will never hurt me.




Are Howard and Costello members of this forum?
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Opinions are like arseholes everyone got one.

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Reply #52 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:23pm
 
Swagman wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:43am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:18am:
Yes, we need to undo so much of the Howard/Costello profligacy and economic mismanagement. I have said this consistently for a looong time. I have also said Rudd/Swan were idiots to give a tax cut in 2008/9.


Remember this? 

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/Debt%20Free.jpg


Rudd & Gillard Labor have already undone it..... Cheesy

No, it was the structural Budget deficit H&C created with their profligacy building in tax cuts and wealthfare from revenue from a necessarily temporary boom. The boom bust in 2008 and so the boom revenues disappeared but not the boom spending. Gillard/Swan cut some of the profligacy back, not abbott or Malodorous.

The real estate boom H&C fanned and fed with tax cuts and pork left a highly indebted private sector facing bleaker times after the boom. Hence we see the present low confidence levels.

Payment back of the debt took place over a long time. H&C only played a small part in that. Geez the Libs here are dumb!
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Reply #53 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:41pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:23pm:
No, it was the structural Budget deficit


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Reply #54 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 3:14pm
 
Swagman wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:41pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:23pm:
No, it was the structural Budget deficit


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The structural Budget deficit the gift that keeps taking.

The deficit that is passed on to someone else.

In the Howard years they managed to structure our economy to be reliant on the greatest boom in memory to break square. Obviously that means that the economic parameters returning to more normal values would leave a shortfall of income.

The Howard government spending like drunken sailors has left us in the lurch. 
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Reply #55 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 3:22pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:34am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 7:33am:
Look at Sweden or Norway - I can't remember which it is. They have free health care, free public transport, and so on. They also pay a lot more tax than us but don't mind because they get excellent services from their government for FREE. Can't see that happening here with your narrow "me, me, me, gimme, gimme, gimme" mindset.


Two pizzas a 4 glasses of coke cost me $140 Au in Norway 15 yrs ago .... I'm not so sure you want to emulate Norway, it has some of the highest costs of living in the world.

they also have higher wages, don't fund private education or health, a lot of their industries are government owned, they have a huge percentage of the population employed in the public sector and pay unemployment benefits at the same rate as your previous salary was before dropping it to 80% after 6 months. Before they discovered oil, Norway was almost a 3rd world country.

You still want to look at Norway dopey?


And in other threads you talk about how wonderful Norway is.  You really don't have a handle on the idea of having a single position on anything, do you?


You either struggle with basic comprehension or you're an idiot.

How does my explaining Norways economy to armpit a change in position exactly?   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #56 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 3:23pm
 
Swagman wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:41pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:23pm:
No, it was the structural Budget deficit


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lefty spin? .... so you think someone works on commission only should budget as if their commissions remain at their best rates ever? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #57 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 3:28pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:03am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:55am:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:52am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:37am:
They will increase the GST to 12.5% all this talk about 15% is designed to make us feel good about 12.5.

The target was never 15%, that is just an ambit claim put up because they think we are all stupid.


I weep for you and your small expectations and ideas. I doubt you've ever had a large vision in your entire life.


WOW now a huge tax increase is a large vision - (insert abusive term questioning intelligence).





It is CHANGE - something you don't seem to be able to handle. It is a compensated-for tax increase but what you seem to struggle with is CHANGE.


So, what are you saying.  That there is a neutral outcome for Government to the change?
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Reply #58 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:54pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:28am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:09am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:03am:
Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first.


The GST should be 15% and should apply to EVERYTHING. The government could then abolish stamp duty and a myriad of other taxes while still recording an increase in revenue.


the govt. was supposed to abolish stamp duty the last time around. .... along with a myriad of other taxes ... instead we got the GST, and they kept a large portion of the taxes that were supposed to be removed.



Another class JS lie based on his ignorance. Stamp Duty was NOT included in the taxes to be removed. Those taxes that were to be removed - have been. Costello threatened to cut GST payments off from states that were being slow on it. Suddenly, the job was finished.
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Reply #59 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:58pm
 
Swagman wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:41pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:23pm:
No, it was the structural Budget deficit


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/structural%20claytons.jpg

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It is quite the laugh, isn't it?  Up until Rudd screwed things up, nobody had even heard of structural deficit. We just had surpluses of deficits. Now we had to invent a way to say that Howard spend more than he earned  - a deficit - even though he saved close to $300B.

It is that glorious way how lefties can turn truth into lie.   Now if only some of them could use their skills in JOBS instead!
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