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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #60 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:15pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:28am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:09am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:03am:

Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first.

The GST should be 15% and should apply to EVERYTHING. The government could then abolish stamp duty and a myriad of other taxes while still recording an increase in revenue.

the govt. was supposed to abolish stamp duty the last time around. .... along with a myriad of other taxes ... instead we got the GST, and they kept a large portion of the taxes that were supposed to be removed.

Another class JS lie based on his ignorance. Stamp Duty was NOT included in the taxes to be removed. Those taxes that were to be removed - have been. Costello threatened to cut GST payments off from states that were being slow on it. Suddenly, the job was finished.

you just keep making crap up don't you?

What was the deal?

The Howard Government's original plan for the GST envisaged the states abolishing a swag of financial taxes, which in effect would be replaced by the GST. They included:

The financial institutions duty.
The bank accounts debits tax.
The NSW accommodation tax.
Conveyancing duties on transfer of business property.
A range of other stamp duties on leases, mortgages, sales of shares, cheques and credit arrangements.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Getting-to-the-bottom-of-the-GST/2005/03/...

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #61 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:26pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:28am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:09am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:03am:

Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first.

The GST should be 15% and should apply to EVERYTHING. The government could then abolish stamp duty and a myriad of other taxes while still recording an increase in revenue.

the govt. was supposed to abolish stamp duty the last time around. .... along with a myriad of other taxes ... instead we got the GST, and they kept a large portion of the taxes that were supposed to be removed.

Another class JS lie based on his ignorance. Stamp Duty was NOT included in the taxes to be removed. Those taxes that were to be removed - have been. Costello threatened to cut GST payments off from states that were being slow on it. Suddenly, the job was finished.

It was.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38861 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #62 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:27pm Don't you get tired of being flogged on just about every claim you make, 'Maria?'
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Reply #63 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:28pm

Yeah, spending more than revenue and living off short sighted sales totally sustainable.

The fact is Howard was a terrible economic manager who was lucky he fell into a resources boom fuelled by China.

Saved 300 billion? They pissed away 350 billion on programs that were completely worthless vote buying. They didn't upgrade Infrastructure at all for a decade leaving Australia woefully under developed for the 21st century. There were plans to roll FTTN out in the early 90s, now the Libs are doing it 20 years later while scrapping the CHEAPER Fiber option. Howard basically gave away Australias gold supplies for nothing while crashing the entire global market Grin

You rusted on Liberals are a joke. I can't actually believe that half the country buys your crap.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #64 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:32pm

'Implementation of the Intergovernmental Agreement has already delivered significant economic benefits as a result of a first phase of taxation reforms from as early as 1 July 2000. As part of the initial reforms:

the Australian Government fully implemented its commitments by:
      removing the wholesale sales tax;
      implementing the GST; and
      ensuring that all GST revenue is provided to the States and Territories; and
the States and Territories partly implemented their commitments by abolishing a first tranche of state taxes by 1 July 2005:
      accommodation tax;
      financial institution duty;
      quoted marketable securities duty; and
      debits tax.'

'Even though GST revenues are now sufficient so that the States and Territories would not be worse off, relative to if the previous financial arrangements had continued, they have so far refused to fulfil their commitments by nominating a timetable for abolishing this final remaining tax (edit: mine Stamp Duty).'

http://www.budget.gov.au/2007-08/bp3/html/bp3_main-12.htm

Stamp Duty is a state based tax.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #65 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:40pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:28am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:09am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:03am:

Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first.

The GST should be 15% and should apply to EVERYTHING. The government could then abolish stamp duty and a myriad of other taxes while still recording an increase in revenue.

the govt. was supposed to abolish stamp duty the last time around. .... along with a myriad of other taxes ... instead we got the GST, and they kept a large portion of the taxes that were supposed to be removed.

Another class JS lie based on his ignorance. Stamp Duty was NOT included in the taxes to be removed. Those taxes that were to be removed - have been. Costello threatened to cut GST payments off from states that were being slow on it. Suddenly, the job was finished.

you just keep making crap up don't you?

What was the deal?

The Howard Government's original plan for the GST envisaged the states abolishing a swag of financial taxes, which in effect would be replaced by the GST. They included:

The financial institutions duty.
The bank accounts debits tax.
The NSW accommodation tax.
Conveyancing duties on transfer of business property.
A range of other stamp duties on leases, mortgages, sales of shares, cheques and credit arrangements.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Getting-to-the-bottom-of-the-GST/2005/03/...

Pravda on the Yarra (the Age) never misses an opportunity to con the gullible into believing what they want to here. The original proposal for GST was 12.5% and included payroll tax and stamp duty. When it became obvious that was not going to fly, it was dropped to 10% and stamp duty and payroll tax taken out of the mix. SOURCE: John Howard.

All other taxes and charges as per the original GST agreement HAVE been removed.

Just in case you missed it, I highlighted PRAVDA's own admission of this fact.

You are a really dumb poster.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #66 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:51pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:26pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:28am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:09am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:03am:

Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first.

The GST should be 15% and should apply to EVERYTHING. The government could then abolish stamp duty and a myriad of other taxes while still recording an increase in revenue.

the govt. was supposed to abolish stamp duty the last time around. .... along with a myriad of other taxes ... instead we got the GST, and they kept a large portion of the taxes that were supposed to be removed.

Another class JS lie based on his ignorance. Stamp Duty was NOT included in the taxes to be removed. Those taxes that were to be removed - have been. Costello threatened to cut GST payments off from states that were being slow on it. Suddenly, the job was finished.

It was.

I was referring to stamp duty on real estate transfers. All other stamp duties were extinguished except insurance.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #67 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:52pm

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Yeah, spending more than revenue and living off short sighted sales totally sustainable.

The fact is Howard was a terrible economic manager who was lucky he fell into a resources boom fuelled by China.

Saved 300 billion? They pissed away 350 billion on programs that were completely worthless vote buying. They didn't upgrade Infrastructure at all for a decade leaving Australia woefully under developed for the 21st century. There were plans to roll FTTN out in the early 90s, now the Libs are doing it 20 years later while scrapping the CHEAPER Fiber option. Howard basically gave away Australias gold supplies for nothing while crashing the entire global market Grin

You rusted on Liberals are a joke. I can't actually believe that half the country buys your crap.

Oh really? FTTN for what exactly? almost nobody had internet at all. Most businesses didn't have email and there were about 500 websites worldwide - Microsoft, Smithsonian and 498 porn sites.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #68 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:57pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:51pm:

I was referring to stamp duty on real estate transfers. All other stamp duties were extinguished except insurance.

and I've already put up a link showing where IT WAS Cheesy

everything else was negotiated with the democrats AFTER the election and it was not what the people voted for. Like I said, stamp duty was supposed to have gone the first time around.

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Reply #69 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:02pm

Nats Senators Barnaby and Nash thought about what the Bush needed in terms of broadband and designed something very similar to Labor’s FTTH. They knew Howard didn’t give a stuff about infratructure, health or education so just filed the plan in Page House.

Telstra did want to roll out FTTN but Howard put the kybosh on that, wanting Telstra dividends to splash on pork.

Now the MTM is proving an expensive failure that will have to be run out before this benighted flipping country can get real broadband. By then NZ will be the dynamic economy not Australia.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 85393 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #70 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 8:32pm You have to admire politicians - if they don't get their way they'll find some end run around the issue to get the same result. Kinda gives the lie to democracy, eh?
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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #71 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:10pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:28am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:09am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:03am:

Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first.

The GST should be 15% and should apply to EVERYTHING. The government could then abolish stamp duty and a myriad of other taxes while still recording an increase in revenue.

the govt. was supposed to abolish stamp duty the last time around. .... along with a myriad of other taxes ... instead we got the GST, and they kept a large portion of the taxes that were supposed to be removed.

Another class JS lie based on his ignorance. Stamp Duty was NOT included in the taxes to be removed. Those taxes that were to be removed - have been. Costello threatened to cut GST payments off from states that were being slow on it. Suddenly, the job was finished.

you just keep making crap up don't you?

What was the deal?

The Howard Government's original plan for the GST envisaged the states abolishing a swag of financial taxes, which in effect would be replaced by the GST. They included:

The financial institutions duty.
The bank accounts debits tax.
The NSW accommodation tax.
Conveyancing duties on transfer of business property.
A range of other stamp duties on leases, mortgages, sales of shares, cheques and credit arrangements.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Getting-to-the-bottom-of-the-GST/2005/03/...

Pravda on the Yarra (the Age) never misses an opportunity to con the gullible into believing what they want to here. The original proposal for GST was 12.5% and included payroll tax and stamp duty. When it became obvious that was not going to fly, it was dropped to 10% and stamp duty and payroll tax taken out of the mix. SOURCE: John Howard.

All other taxes and charges as per the original GST agreement HAVE been removed.

Just in case you missed it, I highlighted PRAVDA's own admission of this fact.

You are a really dumb poster.

you haven't highlighted anything except how stupid you are ... the original proposal had a scrapping of stamp duty ... it was only after they renegotiated with the democrats after the election . .. but by then it was to late, the public had already voted.

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Wolseley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1453 Sydney Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #72 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:26pm Quote: Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is prepared to ask voters for a clear mandate on GST reform and tax cuts if his party room agrees, according to senior Liberals Can someone explain why raising GST is such a bad thing when it is accompanied by tax cuts?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75207 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #73 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:33pm Wolseley wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:26pm: Can someone explain why raising GST is such a bad thing when it is accompanied by tax cuts? Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:46am: The point is that it redistributed the tax burden away from the wealthy and towards the poor.
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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #74 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:35pm

Wolseley wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:26pm:

Quote:

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is prepared to ask voters for a clear mandate on GST reform

and tax cuts

if his party room agrees, according to senior Liberals

Can someone explain why raising GST is such a bad thing when it is accompanied by tax cuts?

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