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Reply #75 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:48pm

I have not read all the replies, I just want to say my bit.

Since a few weeks ago, on my current pension, my car sits in the driveway, unregistered. It will not get registered, and I have to use public transport, walk ( I am not getting any younger) and sometimes need to come home from the major fortnightly shopping in a taxi. I needed to use the heater a bit more this winter, and I paid dearly for the privilege. Next winter will be warmer clothes, from op shops.
In simple terms, my state gov now gets no money/tax via car rego, petrol etc. I get to keep a bit extra in my pocket, to budget for xmas.
My bet is, they will try to bring in a GST rise by then.

I AM OPPOSED TO ANY GST TAX RISE.

What I am trying to say is, the cost of living has reached a type of "critical mass", in the form things are too expensive to buy, and too expensive to sell due to costs of the retailer.
So even if they raise the GST, if will be zero advantage, maybe worse because people simply will go with less.

AUSTRALIANS MUST STOP BEING JELLY-BACKS ON THE GST ISSUE, AND LET THIS AND ANY FUTURE GOVERNMENT KNOW LOUD AND CLEAR, NO RISE TO THE GST, PERIOD.

We have had enough of all this BS.

I hope there will national street marches, car bumper stickers, letter drops, A4 size placards, and whatever else that can send a message to canberra to ALL political parties,

NO GST HIKE, EVER.

leave it at 10% as it is, we have learnt to live with it. If anything, the nation ought to be budgeted on 10% GST or adjust other things to suit the economy.

To raise the GST, then the Government of the day truly has Socialism in it veins in some form or another.

Turnball, if you make it to raise the GST, you have LOST MY VOTE and I will make some noise if it does get raised,

Pensioner of Australia

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #76 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:48pm

Swagman wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 1:41pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 1:23pm:

No, it was the structural Budget deficit

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/structural%20claytons.jpg

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The Howard/Costello changes to superannuation—still in place, costing us $50Bn this year, more the next.

The Costello tax cuts, still in place.

CGT concession, still in place.

All things you can afford in a boom. But we can hardly remember the last boom, ended 7 years ago. But the idiots built the spending and tax cuts into the Budget. Hence $400Bn debt.

Chris Richardson pointed out the structural Budget deficit years before 2007.

So, it is as real as the current growing deficits and debt.

Told you you had no knowledge of economics.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #77 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:32pm

Wolseley wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:26pm:

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Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is prepared to ask voters for a clear mandate on GST reform

and tax cuts

if his party room agrees, according to senior Liberals

Can someone explain why raising GST is such a bad thing when it is accompanied by tax cuts?

OK, I'll bite.

1. Those that pay only a small amount of tax or none at all such as very low income earners and pensioners pay the extra 5% but get no tax cut.

2. Bracket creep will eventually hoover up the lost revenue as taxpayers are exposed to inflation with immovable tax scales. The benefit of the income tax cut is only ephemeral.

The gummint should really look at spending first.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #78 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:48am $50Bn spent on tax exemptions for super. Pretty much all goes to those in the top 10% incomes. Complete waste of money, does nothing to ensure people retire on adequate super. More Howard nuggets of poop in the policy slippers. Cut that, use some of the savings to boost NewStart, problem solved!
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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #79 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:17am

ozzyoi wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:48pm:

I AM OPPOSED TO ANY GST TAX RISE.

AUSTRALIANS MUST STOP BEING JELLY-BACKS ON THE GST ISSUE, AND LET THIS AND ANY FUTURE GOVERNMENT KNOW LOUD AND CLEAR, NO RISE TO THE GST, PERIOD.

We have had enough of all this BS.

NO GST HIKE, EVER.

Turnball, if you make it to raise the GST, you have LOST MY VOTE and I will make some noise if it does get raised,

You won't be the only one.

Turnbull thinks he is liked more than he is. He'll soon find out that he has always been on shaky ground if he talks about raising the GST.

Shortie will start to look a whole lot better.

15% GST = death knell.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #80 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:59am Especially with all those tax exemptions going to the top 10%, with large companies paying derisory amounts of tax here. A neocon govt reckons all that is great even as the debt and deficit climb and the economy turns to sh1t.
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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #81 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:11am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:03am:

Increasing the GST should be the last option not the first.

Increase the GST and lower income taxes should be the priority.

Moving from a progressive to regressive system hardly seems worthwhile without strong protections in place.

Even then it's going to favour the more well off.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #82 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:14am That is why they do it.
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Sir Crook Ex Member	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #83 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:15am "Increasing the GST is a very unfair model and it is a more regressive form of taxation as it has a higher marginal effect on lower income earners than it does on higher income earners.
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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #84 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:21am

Wolseley wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:26pm:

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Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is prepared to ask voters for a clear mandate on GST reform

and tax cuts

if his party room agrees, according to senior Liberals

Can someone explain why raising GST is such a bad thing when it is accompanied by tax cuts?

Because they are labor supporters. And yes, that is the ENTIER argument.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #85 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:22am

ozzyoi wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:48pm:

I have not read all the replies, I just want to say my bit.

Since a few weeks ago, on my current pension, my car sits in the driveway, unregistered. It will not get registered, and I have to use public transport, walk ( I am not getting any younger) and sometimes need to come home from the major fortnightly shopping in a taxi. I needed to use the heater a bit more this winter, and I paid dearly for the privilege. Next winter will be warmer clothes, from op shops.
In simple terms, my state gov now gets no money/tax via car rego, petrol etc. I get to keep a bit extra in my pocket, to budget for xmas.
My bet is, they will try to bring in a GST rise by then.

I AM OPPOSED TO ANY GST TAX RISE.

What I am trying to say is, the cost of living has reached a type of "critical mass", in the form things are too expensive to buy, and too expensive to sell due to costs of the retailer.
So even if they raise the GST, if will be zero advantage, maybe worse because people simply will go with less.

AUSTRALIANS MUST STOP BEING JELLY-BACKS ON THE GST ISSUE, AND LET THIS AND ANY FUTURE GOVERNMENT KNOW LOUD AND CLEAR, NO RISE TO THE GST, PERIOD.

We have had enough of all this BS.

I hope there will national street marches, car bumper stickers, letter drops, A4 size placards, and whatever else that can send a message to canberra to ALL political parties,

NO GST HIKE, EVER.

leave it at 10% as it is, we have learnt to live with it. If anything, the nation ought to be budgeted on 10% GST or adjust other things to suit the economy.

To raise the GST, then the Government of the day truly has Socialism in it veins in some form or another.

Turnball, if you make it to raise the GST, you have LOST MY VOTE and I will make some noise if it does get raised,

Pensioner of Australia

Your pension will rise accordingly. You will not be any worse off.

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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #86 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:23am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:22am:

ozzyoi wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:48pm:

I have not read all the replies, I just want to say my bit.

Since a few weeks ago, on my current pension, my car sits in the driveway, unregistered. It will not get registered, and I have to use public transport, walk ( I am not getting any younger) and sometimes need to come home from the major fortnightly shopping in a taxi. I needed to use the heater a bit more this winter, and I paid dearly for the privilege. Next winter will be warmer clothes, from op shops.
In simple terms, my state gov now gets no money/tax via car rego, petrol etc. I get to keep a bit extra in my pocket, to budget for xmas.
My bet is, they will try to bring in a GST rise by then.

I AM OPPOSED TO ANY GST TAX RISE.

What I am trying to say is, the cost of living has reached a type of "critical mass", in the form things are too expensive to buy, and too expensive to sell due to costs of the retailer.
So even if they raise the GST, if will be zero advantage, maybe worse because people simply will go with less.

AUSTRALIANS MUST STOP BEING JELLY-BACKS ON THE GST ISSUE, AND LET THIS AND ANY FUTURE GOVERNMENT KNOW LOUD AND CLEAR, NO RISE TO THE GST, PERIOD.

We have had enough of all this BS.

I hope there will national street marches, car bumper stickers, letter drops, A4 size placards, and whatever else that can send a message to canberra to ALL political parties,

NO GST HIKE, EVER.

leave it at 10% as it is, we have learnt to live with it. If anything, the nation ought to be budgeted on 10% GST or adjust other things to suit the economy.

To raise the GST, then the Government of the day truly has Socialism in it veins in some form or another.

Turnball, if you make it to raise the GST, you have LOST MY VOTE and I will make some noise if it does get raised,

Pensioner of Australia

Your pension will rise accordingly. You will not be any worse off.

BS not very likely.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #87 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:25am Yeah, can’t compensate the lower income levels too much, will leave nothing for the rich and ultra rich!
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Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST
Reply #88 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:25am

crocodile wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Wolseley wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:26pm:

Quote:

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is prepared to ask voters for a clear mandate on GST reform

and tax cuts

if his party room agrees, according to senior Liberals

Can someone explain why raising GST is such a bad thing when it is accompanied by tax cuts?

OK, I'll bite.

1. Those that pay only a small amount of tax or none at all such as very low income earners and pensioners pay the extra 5% but get no tax cut.

2. Bracket creep will eventually hoover up the lost revenue as taxpayers are exposed to inflation with immovable tax scales. The benefit of the income tax cut is only ephemeral.

The gummint should really look at spending first.

However, we also know that pensions and other welfare will also rise to compensate and so in the end, no one is worse off and some are better off - largely the poor.

Unfortunately, it seems the argument of compensation never really gets understood. They are happy to take reduced taxes and higher welfare but when GST is increased at the same time it is suddenly unfair. A lot of these people simply 'don't get it'.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Secret Plans Drawn UP To Lift GST Reply #89 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:27am Yeah, they don’t get “it” the “it” being adequate compensation. Longy just doesn’t get it.
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Question: Do you want to have a 15% GST?
Yes 7 (33.3%) No 14 (66.7%) Not sure 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 21 « Created by: Bobby. on: Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:13pm »