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Reply #75 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05pm:

"welcome to all LEGAL refugees to Australia"

All refugees are legal.

You nong.

Well, most are not legal, nor refugees. And you are a nong, turd.

So that's one out of three. Better than your form: 0 out of n.

The only problem being, he's actually correct.

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Reply #76 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:28pm

Kat wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05pm:

"welcome to all LEGAL refugees to Australia"

All refugees are legal.

You nong.

Well, most are not legal, nor refugees. And you are a nong, turd.

So that's one out of three. Better than your form: 0 out of n.

The only problem being, he's actually correct.

Yeah - that's why they are all on Nauru and Manus Island - because turd is correct.

Thank you for working so tirelessly for them.

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Reply #77 - Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:07pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:50pm:

All refugees are legal - they are then processed to see if they fit the criteria.... the method of arrival has nothing to do with it, and they need only state their intention to seek asylum upon entering upon sovereign territory, which includes a ship of a sovereign nation at sea, or to an approved officer of that nation. Since Customs officers are included on ships etc, there is no argument here.

Being a refugee or seeking refugee status is legal. Trying to enter our country without a passport is not and such actions are in contravention of our laws, hence the detention. Otherwise, there'd be no legal basis on which the government could detain them and they'd have to be allowed free while their claim is assessed.

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Reply #78 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:10am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:07pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:50pm:

All refugees are legal - they are then processed to see if they fit the criteria.... the method of arrival has nothing to do with it, and they need only state their intention to seek asylum upon entering upon sovereign territory, which includes a ship of a sovereign nation at sea, or to an approved officer of that nation. Since Customs officers are included on ships etc, there is no argument here.

Being a refugee or seeking refugee status is legal. Trying to enter our country without a passport is not and such actions are in contravention of our laws, hence the detention. Otherwise, there'd be no legal basis on which the government could detain them and they'd have to be allowed free while their claim is assessed.

No nufty. The detention is always to safely ascertain the story and the claim. It's unfortunate that they then do indefinite by simply not processing.

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Reply #79 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:49am

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05pm:

"welcome to all LEGAL refugees to Australia"

All refugees are legal.

You nong.

Well, most are not legal, nor refugees. And you are a nong, turd.

So that's one out of three. Better than your form: 0 out of n.

most are not legal, nor refugees.

You do understand that the refugees who are not refugees really are not refugees so they didn't qualify in the first place to be refugees ?

Of the refugees who are refugees they are all legal.

Even economic refugees who do not qualify for mandatory assistance are still genuine refugees, Australia not being willing or compelled to assist them does not mean that they are not genuine refugees or that they have done anything illegal by requesting to be assessed for refugee status.

You are batting ducks eggs here.

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Reply #80 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:13am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:07pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:50pm:

All refugees are legal - they are then processed to see if they fit the criteria.... the method of arrival has nothing to do with it, and they need only state their intention to seek asylum upon entering upon sovereign territory, which includes a ship of a sovereign nation at sea, or to an approved officer of that nation. Since Customs officers are included on ships etc, there is no argument here.

Being a refugee or seeking refugee status is legal. Trying to enter our country without a passport is not and such actions are in contravention of our laws, hence the detention. Otherwise, there'd be no legal basis on which the government could detain them and they'd have to be allowed free while their claim is assessed.

No nufty. The detention is always to safely ascertain the story and the claim. It's unfortunate that they then do indefinite by simply not processing.

They're being processed slower by the Coalition because the Labor Party didn't bother and pretty much gave all of them a free pass without proper checks, hence the rapes and murders by some who were given asylum by Rudd & Gillard.

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Reply #81 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:52am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:49am:

You do understand that the refugees who are not refugees really are not refugees so they didn't qualify in the first place to be refugees ?

The UN Refugee Convention is very clear

You are either a refugee or you are not

So what is "a refugee who is not a refugee"? No such thing

Step 1
Did you enter the country legally i.e. where's your passport and VISA? If not - you are an illegal.

Step 2
You can be detained regardless if you are legal or not. Immigration gets to determine if they accept you or not. They can revoke your VISA or issue a VISA

Step 3
If they revoke your VISA or will not issue with a VISA then you can F#ck Off

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Reply #82 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:15pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:49am:

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05pm:

"welcome to all LEGAL refugees to Australia"

All refugees are legal.

You nong.

Well, most are not legal, nor refugees. And you are a nong, turd.

So that's one out of three. Better than your form: 0 out of n.

most are not legal, nor refugees.

You do understand that the refugees who are not refugees really are not refugees so they didn't qualify in the first place to be refugees ?

Of the refugees who are refugees they are all legal.

Even economic refugees who do not qualify for mandatory assistance are still genuine refugees, Australia not being willing or compelled to assist them does not mean that they are not genuine refugees or that they have done anything illegal by requesting to be assessed for refugee status.

You are batting ducks eggs here.

Nonsense.

By you logic anyone could go to any place and claim to be a refugee and therefore should be treated as a refugee.

I'll remember that next time i want to have a holiday in an expensive country. I'll just land there, claim asylum and live in assisted housing for a few weeks and then change my mind and come home. Could save thousands in hotel bills.

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Reply #83 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:33pm

Soren wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:49am:

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05pm:

"welcome to all LEGAL refugees to Australia"

All refugees are legal.

You nong.

Well, most are not legal, nor refugees. And you are a nong, turd.

So that's one out of three. Better than your form: 0 out of n.

most are not legal, nor refugees.

You do understand that the refugees who are not refugees really are not refugees so they didn't qualify in the first place to be refugees ?

Of the refugees who are refugees they are all legal.

Even economic refugees who do not qualify for mandatory assistance are still genuine refugees, Australia not being willing or compelled to assist them does not mean that they are not genuine refugees or that they have done anything illegal by requesting to be assessed for refugee status.

You are batting ducks eggs here.

Nonsense.

By you logic anyone could go to any place and claim to be a refugee and therefore should be treated as a refugee.

I'll remember that next time i want to have a holiday in an expensive country. I'll just land there, claim asylum and live in assisted housing for a few weeks and then change my mind and come home. Could save thousands in hotel bills.

I hear Syria is nice this time of year

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Reply #84 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:40pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:52am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:49am:

You do understand that the refugees who are not refugees really are not refugees so they didn't qualify in the first place to be refugees ?

The UN Refugee Convention is very clear

You are either a refugee or you are not

So what is "a refugee who is not a refugee"? No such thing

Take it up with Soren it was his proposition, Gregg said all refugees are legal and Soren responded saying that "Well, most are not legal, nor refugees"

This means that he has stated that most refugees are not refugees hence my response.

I tend to agree with you I believe that all refugees are in fact refugees.

Gregg:
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All refugees are legal.

Soren:
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Well, most are not legal, nor refugees

I suspect he is referring to asylum seekers who are deemed to not be eligible refugees though many of these are in fact still legitimate refugees, just that we don't have to help them.

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Reply #85 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:43pm

Soren wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:49am:

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05pm:

"welcome to all LEGAL refugees to Australia"

All refugees are legal.

You nong.

Well, most are not legal, nor refugees. And you are a nong, turd.

So that's one out of three. Better than your form: 0 out of n.

most are not legal, nor refugees.

You do understand that the refugees who are not refugees really are not refugees so they didn't qualify in the first place to be refugees ?

Of the refugees who are refugees they are all legal.

Even economic refugees who do not qualify for mandatory assistance are still genuine refugees, Australia not being willing or compelled to assist them does not mean that they are not genuine refugees or that they have done anything illegal by requesting to be assessed for refugee status.

You are batting ducks eggs here.

Nonsense.

By you logic anyone could go to any place and claim to be a refugee and therefore should be treated as a refugee.

I'll remember that next time i want to have a holiday in an expensive country. I'll just land there, claim asylum and live in assisted housing for a few weeks and then change my mind and come home. Could save thousands in hotel bills.

By you logic anyone could go to any place and claim to be a refugee

That is true.

and therefore should be treated as a refugee.

That is not necessarily true.

I'll remember that next time i want to have a holiday in an expensive country. I'll just land there, claim asylum

As long as you will be happy vacationing in a compound at a place like Nauru or PNG. Enjoy.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: welcome to all LEGAL refugees to Australia Reply #86 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:31pm Mebbe all those Aussie backpackers in Europe should simply go to the Austrian or Swiss or German Fremdenpolizei and register as refugees and enjoy the company of vibrant thirdy worldy 'refugees'. It's $120 a night in the Zurich Youth Hostel. Just claim asylum and SAVE!!!!
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Reply #87 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:14pm

Kat wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05pm:

"welcome to all LEGAL refugees to Australia"

All refugees are legal.

You nong.

Well, most are not legal, nor refugees. And you are a nong, turd.

So that's one out of three. Better than your form: 0 out of n.

The only problem being, he's actually correct.

Well, they are not refugees when they enter a country, numpty.
So he is actually not correct.

They enter illegally.
Then they claim to be refugees.
Then they are assessed.
Then they are found to be either genuine refugees or fakers.
If the former, THEN they are legalised as refugees and are given a humanitarian visa - ie their status is legalised.
If the latter, they remain illegal entrants with no claim and no rights to remain legally.

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Reply #88 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:16pm

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05pm:

"welcome to all LEGAL refugees to Australia"

All refugees are legal.

You nong.

Well, most are not legal, nor refugees. And you are a nong, turd.

So that's one out of three. Better than your form: 0 out of n.

All refugees are legal.

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Reply #89 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:17pm

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:05pm:

"welcome to all LEGAL refugees to Australia"

All refugees are legal.

You nong.

Well, most are not legal, nor refugees. And you are a nong, turd.

So that's one out of three. Better than your form: 0 out of n.

The only problem being, he's actually correct.

Well, they are not refugees when they enter a country, numpty.
So he is actually not correct.

They enter illegally.
Then they claim to be refugees.
Then they are assessed.
Then they are found to be either genuine refugees or fakers.
If the former, THEN they are legalised as refugees and are given a humanitarian visa - ie their status is legalised.
If the latter, they remain illegal entrants with no claim and no rights to remain legally.

All refugees are legal.

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