double plus good wrote on Nov 2
nd, 2015 at 11:06am:
Tom1:
02 Nov 2015 10:02:45am
Too much religion Yank. One would have thought it actually came to a head centuries ago with the Crusades. Two different cultures fighting it out, but no clear winner. Then different sects, and divisions within religions, all of course right in their deluded understanding of things, to a point that religion was more important than life itself.
One thing of course makes it worse, religious despots.
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Asininedrivel:
02 Nov 2015 11:53:33am
The Assad Regime in Syria is secular, and has received (resigned) praise for its protection of religious minorities.
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mick:
02 Nov 2015 10:19:52am
whats the matter with these young people, why don't they stay , get trained and defend their homeland. No, they just walk out and leave the invaders to take over. The Syrian army needs smart new recruits to help mobilise and defend against ISIS. Where is national service in Syria ??
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saline:
02 Nov 2015 11:38:13am
You've raised a point which should be expanded.
"... why don't they stay, (in their own country)?"
If they must go because their studies are interrupted so badly, why don't they seek a ni contract for their education in return for the guarantee thet they will immediately return to thehome country.
I see sense in this arrangement.
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Tabanus:
02 Nov 2015 10:20:12am
Dear the yank
I may be wrong, but I seem to remember you being quite upset when one of the petty dictators was removed from power.
Good to see that you have accepted that the evidence cannot be ignored and that the bulk of those entering Europe are economic migrants. Though I don't know where you got the bit about starving: I have not heard that before.
But I agree: I can't see any good coming out of this. Europe's economy wrecked, its society disrupted for generations at least. And of course no improvement in the ME: its occupants determined to continue in their current manner, refusing to adopt the lifestyle they envy so much in the West.
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Moi:
02 Nov 2015 11:19:56am
What a mess. A mess that has been brewing since neocons came to power in the US. So many lives lost and for what? So petty US presidents can impose their will over other nations.
Then you have other rich nations like the Saudis, Wahabi Sunnis, who believe they have the right to determine who gets to rule neighbouring countries. So in outright contravention of the UN Charter they recruit and fund extremists, call them "rebels", and send them into Syria to do their worst.
FYI yank, there are 100 million Shiites living in an arc from Iran through Iraq and Syria into Lebanon. There are only 40 million Sunnis in that area yet they form a slight majority in Syria. This is the excuse for the constant destabilisation by Sunni nations. There is _no_ excuse for the CIA to have pumped $25 billion into helping them.
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Old_Wombat:
02 Nov 2015 11:20:25am
The middle easterns, especially the Jews, think they are great negotiatiors. Thousands of years ago, Lot negotiated with God himself - and with success. Yet they can't seem to negotiate peace with their neighbours, seeminglhy prefering thousands of years of war. It must be just multi-thousand year old spin.
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saline:
02 Nov 2015 11:33:12am
If this is how the masses are treated, why doesn't people power overcome the tyrants?
There must be a lot of support for the current regime.
Has the number of economic emigrants had an effect on the mass of the opposition?
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John:
02 Nov 2015 11:38:42am
The problem is not the dictators themselves, they are simply a symptom of the underlying problem- the system (religion, culture) that is conducive to the development of what we are seeing.
All the fleeing people may very well be innocent and need help, however in general they are ignorant of the fact that it is their very belief system that causes this problem. They then move to other countries and continue their ways and culture, progressively causing the very problems again that they were fleeing in the first place.
Show me where this HASN'T or isn't happening!
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Jas:
02 Nov 2015 9:35:58am
Has anyone asked why these people gravitate to the west? After all Dubai and the rich Arab states are much closer. The west needs to know this is not politics, its religion and Saudi Arabia is fuelling this conflict as it did previous ones, just like the American Catholics fuelled the Northern Ireland sectarian war with guns and explosives. We should take the ideological blinkers off and look at the whole picture in the eyes of middle age religious war being fought with 21st century weapons. Muslims of all convictions need to take a good look at what they are doing to each other.
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Obob:
02 Nov 2015 10:48:23am
The aim of ISIS it to re-establish the Arab Golden Age with its outdated religious goals. It's not so difficult to fathom. How many people have you heard lemanting the passing of the good old days in any culture. They want them back along with the conveniences of the modern age. What they don't want to see is that you can't have yesterday with today