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Reply #105 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:35pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

The first four books of the New Testament are eye-witness accounts.

Whose eye witnessed it then? The Gospels are all anonymously authored.

edit: also, most estimates seem to think the gospels were penned around 70 AD at the earliest, which makes the possibility of it being an eyewitness account pretty slim, even if you did know who wrote them.

And here we go with the predictable responses as stated previously. The Gospels are NOT anonymously authored at all as an even cursory reading would recognise. Do you think a biography written today of a now-dead person constitutes fraud? Of course not. These eye-witness accounts were written around 30 years after the event. Now you may be able to believe that some of the details were fuzzy, but the EXISTENCE of a historical Jesus is not. You need to follow a conspiracy theory to believe that everyone was intent on creating a mythical figure and all the books and other information about him was fraudulent. And then you need to accept that the dozen of so proofs of the existence of Plato are all you need to accept his existence.

I predicted that you would go to the extremist position and you did not disappoint. Why do you feel it is so absolutely necessary to discount and discredit eye-witness accounts - and substantial quantities of information at that - about Jesus but accept without question any other historical figure? Does that not speak to YOUR motivations?

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Reply #106 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:49pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:35pm:

The Gospels are NOT anonymously authored at all as an even cursory reading would recognise.

OK then , balls in your court. Who authored the four Gospels?

Names please, and who they were.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:35pm:

These eye-witness accounts were written around 30 years after the event.

So your eyewitness was what, at least 80? Mighty old for those days. You seem quite confident you know who they are, so I hope this matches up with who you think wrote the gospels that go through details of before he was apparently born.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #108 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:57pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:18am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:09am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:15am:

Now if you can PROVE Christianity wrong then you have a point, but until that time you have to accept that perhaps it is true and it is YOU than needs to have kids taken away from.

There are no primary sources that Jesus even existed, let alone did all the things that were written in the Bible.

Well now you are just seeking to be dense - and succeeding. The proof of Jesus' existence is enormous and is accepted as fact by historians. There are plenty of eye-witness accounts.

If you want to debate the topic of religion don't start by bringing in such obvious nonsense.

Just a recap on maria's original claim.

'enormous proof'

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #109 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:01pm double plus good wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:50pm: Some of the people on here knocking Christianity wouldn't dare knock Islam????? I'm happy to have the same argument with any Muslim. In fact, there was a Koran dated recently, and it is older apparently than Muhammad. Poses some serious doubts about it huh?
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Reply #110 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:04pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:01pm:

double plus good wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Some of the people on here knocking Christianity wouldn't dare knock Islam????? Huh

I'm happy to have the same argument with any Muslim. In fact, there was a Koran dated recently, and it is older apparently than Muhammad. Poses some serious doubts about it huh?

I'm pretty sure you are one of the people on here who continually defends Islam.

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Reply #111 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:17pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:14pm:

Climate Science is very much a religion. It has its high priests (mann and Gore etc). It has its scriptures (IPCC reports) and its adherents who sprout the same thing day in day out predicting doom and gloom while having a success rate of zero percent.

Climate science is easily the most discredited science in the word today. It is no more accurate that astrology and alchemy. When they actually get something RIGHT, things might change, but at the moment, a Climate Hysteric is believing in something, unproven at best and frequently DISproven.

Al Gore is politician. Mann is however a specialist. It's like claiming physics is religion because people take Stephen Hawking seriously.

Nobody has been predicting doom and gloom right now, so saying stuff that is supposed to have happen hasn't yet happened is pointless.

Climate science isn't "discredited". It's controversial with the general public, but not with scientists.

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Kytro Gold Member Offline Blasphemy: a victimless crime Posts: 3409 Adelaide Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #112 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:18pm double plus good wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:50pm: Some of the people on here knocking Christianity wouldn't dare knock Islam????? Perhaps, but I'm not one of them. It's based on the same basic story, so it suffers from the same flaws at least.
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double plus good Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5693 Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #113 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:22pm In one breathe that he's telling the audience to respect the choice of Muslims not to sing the national anthem and in the other he's calling religion child abuse. So he's telling people to respect religious choice and then he demeans these same people. I believe he's been licking cane toads. Very strange.
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Reply #114 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:23pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:21am:

I feel sorry for people who dont have a spiritual side.

you assume, wrongly, that those that don't believe in god aren't spiritual ... I think you can be both.

Every time I walk out in the warm sun, every time I hear the sound of the waves crashing on the beach, every time I feel the caress of a beautiful woman, its a spiritual experience.

I don't need to believe in fairy tales to be spiritual. Wink

You clearly don't understand the meaning of 'spiritual' which is unsurprising since you don't seem to be cognizant of the meanings of most words.

you're right. ... spirituality is believing in some pretend overlord who reigns over everything, is omni present, has the power to do everything or anything but chooses to do nothing, and let millions of his creations which he loves suffer needlessly

let me guess, you'd do the same for your kids to wouldn't you? you'd just sit back and watch them suffering and then sit in judgement of them Grin

you're an idiot Maria, you prove that each and every time you make a post.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #115 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:25pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:58am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:16am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:58am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:15am:

Now if you can PROVE Christianity wrong then you have a point, but until that time you have to accept that perhaps it is true and it is YOU than needs to have kids taken away from.

There is no more perhaps it is true than any other religion, including things like Scientology. There are many specific claims the religion makes that are almost certainly not true.

The entire basis for the religion is completely unreasonable in any case. It's rather clear why people believe it and how it came to be prominent.

There is not a single good reason to believe the supernatural claims the religion makes.

Nor any proof to debunk it either. That is why in matters of religion we give FREEDOM - something Greens apparently does not support.

So you support mutilating children's sexual organs on the grounds of religious freedom.

You're confusing tribal rituals with religion.

Tribal rituals are religion.

Rubbish. The Melbourne Cup is a 'tribal ritual'. It is not a religion.

Rubbish, Melbourne cup it is not a tribal ritual it is a sport.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #116 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:26pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:58am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:16am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:58am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:15am:

Now if you can PROVE Christianity wrong then you have a point, but until that time you have to accept that perhaps it is true and it is YOU than needs to have kids taken away from.

There is no more perhaps it is true than any other religion, including things like Scientology. There are many specific claims the religion makes that are almost certainly not true.

The entire basis for the religion is completely unreasonable in any case. It's rather clear why people believe it and how it came to be prominent.

There is not a single good reason to believe the supernatural claims the religion makes.

Nor any proof to debunk it either. That is why in matters of religion we give FREEDOM - something Greens apparently does not support.

So you support mutilating children's sexual organs on the grounds of religious freedom.

You're confusing tribal rituals with religion.

Tribal rituals are religion.

Rubbish. The Melbourne Cup is a 'tribal ritual'. It is not a religion.

Rubbish, Melbourne cup it is not a tribal ritual it is a sport.

Joan the Melbourne cup is a bloody Cup you Muppet... Roll Eyes

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Reply #117 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:27pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:58am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:16am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:58am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:15am:

Now if you can PROVE Christianity wrong then you have a point, but until that time you have to accept that perhaps it is true and it is YOU than needs to have kids taken away from.

There is no more perhaps it is true than any other religion, including things like Scientology. There are many specific claims the religion makes that are almost certainly not true.

The entire basis for the religion is completely unreasonable in any case. It's rather clear why people believe it and how it came to be prominent.

There is not a single good reason to believe the supernatural claims the religion makes.

Nor any proof to debunk it either. That is why in matters of religion we give FREEDOM - something Greens apparently does not support.

So you support mutilating children's sexual organs on the grounds of religious freedom.

You're confusing tribal rituals with religion.

Tribal rituals are religion.

Rubbish. The Melbourne Cup is a 'tribal ritual'. It is not a religion.

Rubbish, Melbourne cup it is not a tribal ritual it is a sport.

You only wrote this the other day- nothing wrong with that ... they're not skipping the anthem because of disloyalty, they're skipping it at a particular time of year ONLY for religious reasons.

You idiots are always whinging you want them to respect our religious beliefs, then you need to also respect theirs. No one is stopping you from singing the anthem.

Now you are knocking religious people. Defend then criticize?????? Make up your mind. Cheesy

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #118 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:27pm double plus good wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:04pm: I'm pretty sure you are one of the people on here who continually defends Islam. Pretty sure you are mistaken. If you feel differently, feel free to link to posts of mine where I "continually defend Islam"
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Reply #119 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:32pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:27pm:

double plus good wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:04pm:

I'm pretty sure you are one of the people on here who continually defends Islam.

Pretty sure you are mistaken. If you feel differently, feel free to link to posts of mine where I "continually defend Islam"

You did only the other day-What a ridiculous beat up.

There is a religious minority that on principle does not sing any national anthems because their beliefs state that they belong to their God and not to any earthly country. They have been doing this since their inception and also do not participate in any commemorations of armed conflict such as ANZAC day.

Funnily enough I've never heard anybody complain about Jehovah's Witnesses doing this however.

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