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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #195 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:54am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:22am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:14am:

So it would be unbelievable that someone as un noteworthy at the time as jesus would have a birth certificate or tombstone or parking ticket or whatever the current bunch of idiots claim as "evidence"

actually the Romans were great record keepers for their time... they have found thousands of old tax collection records etc. and yet, despite Jesus supposedly becoming Romes public enemy Number 1, and despite all the miracles, not once was he or any of the main cast of the show, ever mentioned in any of the records .... one would think that if any were true someone would have made a record of it somewhere?

romes public enemy number 1 ?

at the time of his actual existence ?

i think there would not have been a single person in rome at the time of his cruxificion who had even heard of him. Not 1 Wink

Pontius Pilate Cheesy

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #196 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:18am

The Christ myth theory is the proposition that Jesus of Nazareth never existed, or if he did, he had virtually nothing to do with the founding of Christianity and the accounts in the gospels.[102][103][104] This theory has very little support among current scholars.[105] Historically however, mythicist viewpoints were noted to varying degrees within academia[106][107][108][109] and some even became part of the mainstream scholarship, such as the viewpoint of David Strauss.[110] The theory enjoyed brief popularity in the Soviet Union, where it was supported by Sergey Kovalev, Alexander Kazhdan, Abram Ranovich, Nikolai Rumyantsev, Robert Wipper and Yuri Frantsev.[111] Later, however, several scholars, including Kazhdan, had retracted their views about mythical Jesus and by the end of the 1980s the support for the theory became almost non-existent in Soviet academia.[112]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

and while you are there check out

http://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35486 Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #197 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:21am Citing Wikipedia Maria? Not the done thing is it?
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double plus good Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5693 Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #198 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:27am mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:21am: Citing Wikipedia Maria? Not the done thing is it? You've got to respect peoples beliefs Mothra.
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Reply #199 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:27am

Didn't you literally ridicule me yesterday for linking a wikipedia? Such a hypocrite lol.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

http://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources

Thanks for this, will check them out.

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Evidence from Tacitus

Not contemporary, was BORN after Jesus was supposed to have lived.

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Evidence from Pliny the Younger

Ditto previous comment.

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Evidence from Josephus

Again, not contemporary, and the most striking of his mentions Jesus in writings is generally accepted as being added in later (there is no reference to it before the 4th century, and contains phrases that no Jewish person would say)

Have you even read these? There is LITERALLY no way these people could be eyewitnesses. Your claim is looking increasingly thin.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #200 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am

double plus good wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

Citing Wikipedia Maria? Not the done thing is it?

You've got to respect peoples beliefs Mothra. Huh

You misunderstand Double. Maria always mocks people for using Wikipedia. She won't accept it as a source from others and now she's using it.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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double plus good Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5693 Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #201 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am Come on guys. Let's respect these beliefs. The kids that walked out of the anthem got defended.
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Reply #202 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:31am

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

double plus good wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

Citing Wikipedia Maria? Not the done thing is it?

You've got to respect peoples beliefs Mothra. Huh

You misunderstand Double. Maria always mocks people for using Wikipedia. She won't accept it as a source from others and now she's using it.

I noticed you 2 like a good argument. Angry

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Reply #203 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:33am

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Didn't you literally ridicule me yesterday for linking a wikipedia? Such a hypocrite lol.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

http://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources

Thanks for this, will check them out.

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Evidence from Tacitus

Not contemporary, was BORN after Jesus was supposed to have lived.

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Evidence from Pliny the Younger

Ditto previous comment.

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Evidence from Josephus

Again, not contemporary, and the most striking of his mentions Jesus in writings is generally accepted as being added in later (there is no reference to it before the 4th century, and contains phrases that no Jewish person would say)

Have you even read these? There is LITERALLY no way these people could be eyewitnesses. Your claim is looking increasingly thin.

Do you see my point yet? There is absolutely no evidence you will ever accept. And yet, isn't it amazing how virtually no historian agrees with you? Virtually none. Why do you think that might be?

Your problem is exactly what I stated earlier. To agree with the existence of Jesus is opposed to your ideological position and therefore cannot have happened.

Its lame, but you are hardly the first person to have tried this on.

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Reply #204 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:37am

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

double plus good wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

Citing Wikipedia Maria? Not the done thing is it?

You've got to respect peoples beliefs Mothra. Huh

You misunderstand Double. Maria always mocks people for using Wikipedia. She won't accept it as a source from others and now she's using it.

Granted, I was lowering myself to your standards. So remove it. The rest stands by its own. Why don't you feel to pile on - as you do - and tell us all about how Jesus didn't exist in direct opposition to the virtual entire body of historians.

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Reply #205 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:37am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Do you see my point yet?

Your point that there are numerous eyewitnesses of Jesus? The claim you have completely failed to substantiate on any level?

The one you are now still trying to avoid? What a joke, you can't even admit you were wrong in that assertion.

So are you still claiming that there are lots of eyewitnesses, and willing to provide evidence as such, or are you willing to admit this is a false statement?

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

There is absolutely no evidence you will ever accept

Again lies, I said quite clearly in a previous post what would convince me earlier:

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

A single account about him, written or archaeological about Jesus from the period he was suppsoed to live.

Don't get angry you can't provide this evidence.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #206 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:46am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

double plus good wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

Citing Wikipedia Maria? Not the done thing is it?

You've got to respect peoples beliefs Mothra. Huh

You misunderstand Double. Maria always mocks people for using Wikipedia. She won't accept it as a source from others and now she's using it.

Granted, I was lowering myself to your standards. So remove it. The rest stands by its own. Why don't you feel to pile on - as you do - and tell us all about how Jesus didn't exist in direct opposition to the virtual entire body of historians.

I think the question on the table is you accounting for the "many eye witnesses" that you claim existed.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #207 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:40pm

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:48pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:45pm:

Would you like me to rephrase the question to make it sound more politically correct to take children from their parents?

When do you not see it as everyone's responsibility to fix what parents are getting wrong? Can only Greens supporters get it right?

The debate is if religious teaching is child abuse.

You seem to be attempting to put the cart before the horse.

Is religious teaching child abuse?

Do I need to start a separate thread on this topic to ask your opinion? Or will you completely refuse to give your opinion until this "debate" is over?

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Reply #208 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:57pm

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:46am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

double plus good wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

Citing Wikipedia Maria? Not the done thing is it?

You've got to respect peoples beliefs Mothra. Huh

You misunderstand Double. Maria always mocks people for using Wikipedia. She won't accept it as a source from others and now she's using it.

Granted, I was lowering myself to your standards. So remove it. The rest stands by its own. Why don't you feel to pile on - as you do - and tell us all about how Jesus didn't exist in direct opposition to the virtual entire body of historians.

I think the question on the table is you accounting for the "many eye witnesses" that you claim existed.

The problem is not evidence but Stratos' refusal to accept any evidence provided. He has not made a single comment on why virtually all historians accept a historical Jesus. I know why of course - as do you. He wants a standard of 'proof without reasonable doubt' - a standard that would exclude almost all history entirely.

Its a fools errand to attempt to prove anything to a person who will only up the level of proof required no matter what you do.

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Reply #209 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:18pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Its a fools errand to attempt to prove anything to a person who will only up the level of proof required no matter what you do.

Wow, more blatant lies. Here is what I'm chasing, for the third time.

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

A single account about him, written or archaeological about Jesus from the period he was suppsoed to live.

Which, seeing as you think there are a apparently a lot of eyewitnesses (which you have yet to provide of course), shouldn't be that hard. I'll ask again:

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

So are you still claiming that there are lots of eyewitnesses, and willing to provide evidence as such, or are you willing to admit this is a false statement?

Ball in your court, substantiate your claim, or admit it' was incorrect. Really is that easy.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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