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Reply #210 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:27pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Its a fools errand to attempt to prove anything to a person who will only up the level of proof required no matter what you do.

Wow, more blatant lies. Here is what I'm chasing, for the third time.

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

A single account about him, written or archaeological about Jesus from the period he was suppsoed to live.

Which, seeing as you think there are a apparently a lot of eyewitnesses (which you have yet to provide of course), shouldn't be that hard. I'll ask again:

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

So are you still claiming that there are lots of eyewitnesses, and willing to provide evidence as such, or are you willing to admit this is a false statement?

Ball in your court, substantiate your claim, or admit it' was incorrect. Really is that easy.

Are you going to comment on the possible reasons that virtually no historians agree with you? I would like to hear why you think THEY agree.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #211 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:35pm

Aw cute, trying to go for a third dodge now are you?

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:27pm:

Are you going to comment on the possible reasons that virtually no historians agree with you?

I think you'll find most historians agree with me that there are no records of Jesus from within his supposed timeframe.

Also, are you going to keep breaking the ninth commandment or come up with some of these alleged eyewitnesses?

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

So are you still claiming that there are lots of eyewitnesses, and willing to provide evidence as such, or are you willing to admit this is a false statement?

I'm sure you wouldn't be OK with bearing false witness, so please address your previous claim, and whether you still think it is accurate, or if not, provide these eyewitnesses you think exist.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #212 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:39pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

Aw cute, trying to go for a third dodge now are you?

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:27pm:

Are you going to comment on the possible reasons that virtually no historians agree with you?

I think you'll find most historians agree with me that there are no records of Jesus from within his supposed timeframe.

Also, are you going to keep breaking the ninth commandment or come up with some of these alleged eyewitnesses?

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

So are you still claiming that there are lots of eyewitnesses, and willing to provide evidence as such, or are you willing to admit this is a false statement?

I'm sure you wouldn't be OK with bearing false witness, so please address your previous claim, and whether you still think it is accurate, or if not, provide these eyewitnesses you think exist.

Then you will be wrong. Why do you think they all agree that Jesus existed? In large measure because they don't reject all the accounts in the Gospels which were eye-witness (despite your objections) for the odd reasons you do. They look at the sum of evidence and happily and virtually universally accept that Jesus existed.

You need to ask why historians don't have the problem you do. Perhaps because they are looking at it with clear unbiased eyes while you are inserting all your anti-Christian feelings into it.

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Reply #213 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:48pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

Aw cute, trying to go for a third dodge now are you?

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:27pm:

Are you going to comment on the possible reasons that virtually no historians agree with you?

I think you'll find most historians agree with me that there are no records of Jesus from within his supposed timeframe.

Also, are you going to keep breaking the ninth commandment or come up with some of these alleged eyewitnesses?

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

So are you still claiming that there are lots of eyewitnesses, and willing to provide evidence as such, or are you willing to admit this is a false statement?

I'm sure you wouldn't be OK with bearing false witness, so please address your previous claim, and whether you still think it is accurate, or if not, provide these eyewitnesses you think exist.

Then you will be wrong. Why do you think they all agree that Jesus existed? In large measure because they don't reject all the accounts in the Gospels which were eye-witness (despite your objections) for the odd reasons you do. They look at the sum of evidence and happily and virtually universally accept that Jesus existed.

You need to ask why historians don't have the problem you do. Perhaps because they are looking at it with clear unbiased eyes while you are inserting all your anti-Christian feelings into it.

How can the Gospels be eyewitness accounts when they were written so many years after Jesus was killed?

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #214 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:51pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Why do you think they all agree that Jesus existed?

I think you will find that they think a historical character existed, not the Jesus depicted in scripture. This has quite strong paralels to Mormonism in a more modern time, where we know that an actual person existed (Joseph Smith), but not the (to pick an example) magic glasses.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

In large measure because they don't reject all the accounts in the Gospels which were eye-witness

I have been over this with you before. The writers of the gospels (anonymous writers that is) make no claims to being eyewitness accounts, with the exception of the gospel of John, who only is given a title, and there is much discussion on who it may refer to. They were not even referred to by their titles until close to the end of the second century!

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

while you are inserting all your anti-Christian feelings into it.

Just because you are wrong doesn't make me anti-Christian. I value truth like any good Christian should. You on the other hand seem free and willing to spread lies, like the fact there are many eyewitness accounts of Jesus.

Maybe produce one and prove yourself right and shut me up. I'm very happy to be wrong, all I'm asking for is evidence. If you try dodge it again, I guess you just don't have any.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #215 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:40pm

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:48pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:45pm:

Would you like me to rephrase the question to make it sound more politically correct to take children from their parents?

When do you not see it as everyone's responsibility to fix what parents are getting wrong? Can only Greens supporters get it right?

The debate is if religious teaching is child abuse.

You seem to be attempting to put the cart before the horse.

Is religious teaching child abuse?

Do I need to start a separate thread on this topic to ask your opinion? Or will you completely refuse to give your opinion until this "debate" is over?

In cases of child abuse, protection of the child is first. Ownership over the child is of a lesser value.
If protection of children includes removal from an abusive situation, so be it.

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Reply #216 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 5:00pm

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

Aw cute, trying to go for a third dodge now are you?

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:27pm:

Are you going to comment on the possible reasons that virtually no historians agree with you?

I think you'll find most historians agree with me that there are no records of Jesus from within his supposed timeframe.

Also, are you going to keep breaking the ninth commandment or come up with some of these alleged eyewitnesses?

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

So are you still claiming that there are lots of eyewitnesses, and willing to provide evidence as such, or are you willing to admit this is a false statement?

I'm sure you wouldn't be OK with bearing false witness, so please address your previous claim, and whether you still think it is accurate, or if not, provide these eyewitnesses you think exist.

Then you will be wrong. Why do you think they all agree that Jesus existed? In large measure because they don't reject all the accounts in the Gospels which were eye-witness (despite your objections) for the odd reasons you do. They look at the sum of evidence and happily and virtually universally accept that Jesus existed.

You need to ask why historians don't have the problem you do. Perhaps because they are looking at it with clear unbiased eyes while you are inserting all your anti-Christian feelings into it.

How can the Gospels be eyewitness accounts when they were written so many years after Jesus was killed?

Are you serious? Can you write about events that happened 30 years ago in your life? Of course you can - and so did they.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #217 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 5:01pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:51pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Why do you think they all agree that Jesus existed?

I think you will find that they think a historical character existed, not the Jesus depicted in scripture. This has quite strong paralels to Mormonism in a more modern time, where we know that an actual person existed (Joseph Smith), but not the (to pick an example) magic glasses.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

In large measure because they don't reject all the accounts in the Gospels which were eye-witness

I have been over this with you before. The writers of the gospels (anonymous writers that is) make no claims to being eyewitness accounts, with the exception of the gospel of John, who only is given a title, and there is much discussion on who it may refer to. They were not even referred to by their titles until close to the end of the second century!

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

while you are inserting all your anti-Christian feelings into it.

Just because you are wrong doesn't make me anti-Christian. I value truth like any good Christian should. You on the other hand seem free and willing to spread lies, like the fact there are many eyewitness accounts of Jesus.

Maybe produce one and prove yourself right and shut me up. I'm very happy to be wrong, all I'm asking for is evidence. If you try dodge it again, I guess you just don't have any.

You will be wrong yet again. They might ignore the supernatural aspects of the story, but not the historical parts.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #218 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 5:03pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 5:00pm: