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Reply #270 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:44pm

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

I am pretty sure we have had some big floods throughout history, just not quite to the same biblical proportions...

Of course, a huge flood wiping out the most of the "known" population would be a story retold with a fair degree of ad-don exaggeration, thus the term myth being applied...

There might even have been a big boat built by some bloke and filled with family and a bunch of pets, but, two of EVERY animal (which, in modern terms and understanding would actually be two of every species which blows the numbers through the roof), how would we not have found a Boat that big definitely by now?

The known world of that time was flooded.

If you don't WANT to believe that...all fine by me lol.

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Reply #271 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:45pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

What a load of $hit.

Quite true. In fact, only one of the gospels claims to be written by an eyewitness, which is John, and no name is given, only a title.

Most contain events they nobody could see anyway if you take them at face value (most obviously the circumstances around Jesus birth, and the scene at the tomb towards the end)

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #272 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:50pm

If you want proof that God exists go into your front yard look around at nature and into the sky and remember where it is that we live.

The diversity of life on this planet and the position of the Earth with all its safety valves and features would be impossible out of luck.

That the diversity of life came out of a worm from the sea is as big a mythology as any story ever told.

Or that we started with a big bang from a point so small that it could stand on the point of a needle.

Now in the bible it does say that God created the light first and then the stars.

That's one way for the big bang to be real.

Otherwise physics tells us nothing can be created out of nothing.

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Reply #273 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:50pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

What a load of $hit.

Quite true. In fact, only one of the gospels claims to be written by an eyewitness, which is John, and no name is given, only a title.

Most contain events they nobody could see anyway if you take them at face value (most obviously the circumstances around Jesus birth, and the scene at the tomb towards the end)

Many thanks for agreeing with me....not Mothra.

I couldn't believe the stupid remark she made either...although given her online history I should expect nothing else.

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Reply #274 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:53pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:12am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:43am:

And I repeat the fact that professional historians do not agree with you.

Most historians think Jesus existed, but that isn't your claim. Your claim was that there are lots of eyewitness accounts, which is 100% wrong.

The section YOU linked from Luke demonstrates that it in fact only claiming to be a third hand account.

Read your Bible and stop breaking the ninth commandment.

And that is your problem. Unless something can be proven to YOUR satisfaction, you declare it 100% wrong. Mark's Gospel was apparently written using Peter as the source - an Eye Witness. Johns Gospel was written by... john the disciple, an eye witness.

You demand a standard of proof that is impossible for historical documents. Luke was writing on behalf of other eye-witnesses and says as much.

I defy you to prove the existence of any BC era figure using your methodology.

And again, historians don't have the problem you do.

Most historians believe the Gospels were not written by eyewitnesses.

What a load of $hit.

And that is indeed $h1t.

Most historians agree that John was indeed an eye witness.

So bugger off Mothball.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #275 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:59pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:53pm: Most historians agree that John was indeed an eye witness. Nothing is known for certain about "John". The person's name is not given, and there is a huge debate about who the real author is.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #276 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:08pm Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:59pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:53pm: Most historians agree that John was indeed an eye witness. Nothing is known for certain about "John". The person's name is not given, and there is a huge debate about who the real author is. Utter cr@p!
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #277 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:13pm Please show in that case where I am mistaken, and who you think wrote the book.
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Reply #278 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:12am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:43am:

And I repeat the fact that professional historians do not agree with you.

Most historians think Jesus existed, but that isn't your claim. Your claim was that there are lots of eyewitness accounts, which is 100% wrong.

The section YOU linked from Luke demonstrates that it in fact only claiming to be a third hand account.

Read your Bible and stop breaking the ninth commandment.

And that is your problem. Unless something can be proven to YOUR satisfaction, you declare it 100% wrong. Mark's Gospel was apparently written using Peter as the source - an Eye Witness. Johns Gospel was written by... john the disciple, an eye witness.

You demand a standard of proof that is impossible for historical documents. Luke was writing on behalf of other eye-witnesses and says as much.

I defy you to prove the existence of any BC era figure using your methodology.

And again, historians don't have the problem you do.

Most historians believe the Gospels were not written by eyewitnesses.

What a load of $hit.

And that is indeed $h1t.

Most historians agree that John was indeed an eye witness.

So bugger off Mothball.

No. They don;t. Most think it was written 80-95AD.

Bit late for an eyewitness dont't you think?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #279 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:13pm: Please show in that case where I am mistaken, and who you think wrote the book. Oh come on. It has nothing to do with what you or I may think. My statement stands...most historians agree that John was indeed an eyewitness.
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #280 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:17pm which eyewitness then?
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Reply #281 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:17pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:12am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:43am:

And I repeat the fact that professional historians do not agree with you.

Most historians think Jesus existed, but that isn't your claim. Your claim was that there are lots of eyewitness accounts, which is 100% wrong.

The section YOU linked from Luke demonstrates that it in fact only claiming to be a third hand account.

Read your Bible and stop breaking the ninth commandment.

And that is your problem. Unless something can be proven to YOUR satisfaction, you declare it 100% wrong. Mark's Gospel was apparently written using Peter as the source - an Eye Witness. Johns Gospel was written by... john the disciple, an eye witness.

You demand a standard of proof that is impossible for historical documents. Luke was writing on behalf of other eye-witnesses and says as much.

I defy you to prove the existence of any BC era figure using your methodology.

And again, historians don't have the problem you do.

Most historians believe the Gospels were not written by eyewitnesses.

What a load of $hit.

And that is indeed $h1t.

Most historians agree that John was indeed an eye witness.

So bugger off Mothball.

No. They don;t. Most think it was written 80-95AD.

Bit late for an eyewitness dont't you think?

Not interested in what you've just pathetically googled.

Now bugger off.

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Reply #282 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:19pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Please show in that case where I am mistaken, and who you think wrote the book.

Oh come on. It has nothing to do with what you or I may think.

My statement stands...most historians agree that the John was indeed an eyewitness.

Find me one secular historian who thinks John the Beloved wrote the Gospel of John.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #283 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:20pm Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:17pm: which eyewitness then? Duh!
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #284 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:21pm What would the gospels be called if they were written today? perhaps.... Rockefeller Francis (Pope) Rothschild Putin
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