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Reply #285 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:22pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:19pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Please show in that case where I am mistaken, and who you think wrote the book.

Oh come on. It has nothing to do with what you or I may think.

My statement stands...most historians agree that the John was indeed an eyewitness.

Find me one secular historian who thinks John the Beloved wrote the Gospel of John.

You get it yourself. It'll give you something more to google.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35486 Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #286 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:22pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:21pm: What would the gospels be called if they were written today? perhaps.... Rockefeller Francis (Pope) Rothschild Putin There'd be a Murdoch in there for sure.
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Reply #287 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:23pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:22pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:19pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Please show in that case where I am mistaken, and who you think wrote the book.

Oh come on. It has nothing to do with what you or I may think.

My statement stands...most historians agree that the John was indeed an eyewitness.

Find me one secular historian who thinks John the Beloved wrote the Gospel of John.

You get it yourself. It'll give you something more to google.

I can't. It doesn't seem to exist.

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #288 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:24pm mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm: No. They don;t. Most think it was written 80-95AD. Bit late for an eyewitness dont't you think? Most historians believe their was no eyewitness account of Jesus. The books were most likely written by the Roman leaders of that time, in order to control the plebs.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #289 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:28pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:20pm: Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:17pm: which eyewitness then? Duh! Have you now worked out who? Any more silly questions from your corner Stratos? If not...good. I'll leave you to enjoy Idiot Hour.
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Reply #290 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:28pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:22pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

What would the gospels be called if they were written today? perhaps....

Rockefeller

Francis (Pope)

Rothschild

Putin

There'd be a Murdoch in there for sure.

We have so many that would love to control our world, that's the problem.

We could re-write the ten commandments too.

1. Thou shalt not accuse thy oil barons of paying no taxes

2. Thou shalt obey thy leader and his servants

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #291 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:30pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

which eyewitness then?

Duh!

Have you now worked out who?

Any more silly questions from your corner Stratos?

If not...good. I'll leave you to enjoy Idiot Hour.

So......did we get the name of an Historian that agrees John was an eyewitness and it was he that wrote the text?

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #292 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:34pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:28pm: Have you now worked out who? Of course not. If I found definitive proof of the authorship of one of the gospels I'd be off to the highest bidder That discovery would make me set for life!
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #293 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:40pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:34pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

Have you now worked out who?

Of course not. If I found definitive proof of the authorship of one of the gospels I'd be off to the highest bidder Tongue

That discovery would make me set for life!

I stated : Most historians agree that John was an eye witness.

You then asked me : Who was the eye witness?

I answered : Duh!

I then asked you : Have you now worked out who?

You've essentially come back with : Of course not.

Conclusion? You're off to the Naughty Corner.

You could always stay here and continue to talk utter cr@p.

I don't particularly care if you do/don't lol Tongue

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #294 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:46pm Unless your answer is "the disciple who Jesus loved" whoever the hell that is, you are a liar. No name is given, only that description. Funny, the obvious implication is that Jesus didn't love any of the other disciples
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Reply #295 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:54pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Unless your answer is "the disciple who Jesus loved" whoever the hell that is, you are a liar.

No name is given, only that description. Funny, the obvious implication is that Jesus didn't love any of the other disciples Grin

Again....utter cr@p!

At least you're consistent.

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Reply #296 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:56pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Unless your answer is "the disciple who Jesus loved" whoever the hell that is, you are a liar.

No name is given, only that description. Funny, the obvious implication is that Jesus didn't love any of the other disciples Grin

Sorry, but historically, it's better than even money that a person named 'Jesus' really did exist...based on the records of the Roman Empire..

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #297 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:57pm Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:46pm: Unless your answer is "the disciple who Jesus loved" whoever the hell that is, you are a liar. No name is given, only that description. Funny, the obvious implication is that Jesus didn't love any of the other disciples Or not as gayly.
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #298 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:58pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Unless your answer is "the disciple who Jesus loved" whoever the hell that is, you are a liar.

No name is given, only that description. Funny, the obvious implication is that Jesus didn't love any of the other disciples Grin

Again....utter cr@p!

At least you're consistent.

No. That is true. John never gives his name.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #299 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:59pm

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:57pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Unless your answer is "the disciple who Jesus loved" whoever the hell that is, you are a liar.

No name is given, only that description. Funny, the obvious implication is that Jesus didn't love any of the other disciples Grin

Or not as gayly.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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