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Reply #315 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:53pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Unless your answer is "the disciple who Jesus loved" whoever the hell that is, you are a liar.

No name is given, only that description. Funny, the obvious implication is that Jesus didn't love any of the other disciples Grin

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Sorry, but historically, it's better than even money that a person named 'Jesus' really did exist...based on the records of the Roman Empire..

The debate going on currently is whether there are eyewitnesses of his life and actions, as was proposed by Maria.

She still hasn't provided any though. There is a very small amount of evidence from the Romans, and none of it comes from the proposed lifetime, the earliest was written in the 2nd century I believe.

And that will never be done to your satisfaction because... if an eyewitness account is presented, you simply reject it for any reason you choose. You have still not explained why you reject Johns eye-witness account which was written personally by him. But you do. Why don't you explain that?

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Reply #316 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:54pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

When I come back online (ie tomorrow as we're celebrating our anniversary tonight and we're going back to the same restaurant we 1st met)....I'm going to ask you a few questions about the Gospel of John.

Have fun!

I'm a bit busy myself this weekend, but sure, I'll play along.

edit: and no, not now nor ever was I catholic

I see! Well in that case, I'm very interested in what you have to say.

Very interested indeed.

Hmmmm.....you've got me wondering now.

If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

HYPATIA - Greek philosopher, mathematician and astronomer (370 - 415)

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Reply #317 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:57pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Unless your answer is "the disciple who Jesus loved" whoever the hell that is, you are a liar.

No name is given, only that description. Funny, the obvious implication is that Jesus didn't love any of the other disciples Grin

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Sorry, but historically, it's better than even money that a person named 'Jesus' really did exist...based on the records of the Roman Empire..

The debate going on currently is whether there are eyewitnesses of his life and actions, as was proposed by Maria.

She still hasn't provided any though. There is a very small amount of evidence from the Romans, and none of it comes from the proposed lifetime, the earliest was written in the 2nd century I believe.

And that will never be done to your satisfaction because... if an eyewitness account is presented, you simply reject it for any reason you choose. You have still not explained why you reject Johns eye-witness account which was written personally by him. But you do. Why don't you explain that?

In my opinion..I don't think he's read it from start to finish.

Not to worry, I've left him some homework lol.

Stratos has to read the Gospel of John from start to finish.

When I return...I will run a few questions by him.

I can hardly wait lol.

If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

HYPATIA - Greek philosopher, mathematician and astronomer (370 - 415)

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #318 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 5:30pm

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

Is it child abuse and acceptable teaching children that two mails can Fuke each other and get certificate for this?.

Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Reply #319 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 6:30pm

athos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 5:30pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

Is it child abuse and acceptable teaching children that two mails can Fuke each other and get certificate for this?.

I've no knowledge of what mail fluking is.
Perhaps you should enquire at your local post office.

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Reply #320 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:38pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:12am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:43am:

And I repeat the fact that professional historians do not agree with you.

Most historians think Jesus existed, but that isn't your claim. Your claim was that there are lots of eyewitness accounts, which is 100% wrong.

The section YOU linked from Luke demonstrates that it in fact only claiming to be a third hand account.

Read your Bible and stop breaking the ninth commandment.

And that is your problem. Unless something can be proven to YOUR satisfaction, you declare it 100% wrong. Mark's Gospel was apparently written using Peter as the source - an Eye Witness. Johns Gospel was written by... john the disciple, an eye witness.

You demand a standard of proof that is impossible for historical documents. Luke was writing on behalf of other eye-witnesses and says as much.

I defy you to prove the existence of any BC era figure using your methodology.

And again, historians don't have the problem you do.

Most historians believe the Gospels were not written by eyewitnesses.

What a load of $hit.

And that is indeed $h1t.

Most historians agree that John was indeed an eye witness.

So bugger off Mothball.

No. They don;t. Most think it was written 80-95AD.

Bit late for an eyewitness dont't you think?

Incorrect, I take it you has a sherry or two today grandma. Grin

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Reply #321 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:48pm

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

I totally agree.

It should be a criminal offence for adults to teach impressionable children that those parts of the bible which deal in fantasy are true.

Social ethics, values, and morality are something quite distinct from religious belief. The one does not inextricably depend upon the other as those with an emotional or political investment in religion would have you believe.

In fact religion's main purpose has always been to give certain people authority and power over other people. The priesthood was the very first profession - not prostitution as many would have you believe.

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Reply #322 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:20pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

I totally agree.

It should be a criminal offence for adults to teach impressionable children that those parts of the bible which deal in fantasy are true.

Social ethics, values, and morality are something quite distinct from religious belief. The one does not inextricably depend upon the other as those with an emotional or political investment in religion would have you believe.

In fact religion's main purpose has always been to give certain people authority and power over other people. The priesthood was the very first profession - not prostitution as many would have you believe.

How do you propose to PROVE anything is not true?

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Reply #323 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:40pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

I totally agree.

It should be a criminal offence for adults to teach impressionable children that those parts of the bible which deal in fantasy are true.

Social ethics, values, and morality are something quite distinct from religious belief. The one does not inextricably depend upon the other as those with an emotional or political investment in religion would have you believe.

In fact religion's main purpose has always been to give certain people authority and power over other people. The priesthood was the very first profession - not prostitution as many would have you believe.

How do you propose to PROVE anything is not true?

Well a great deal of it demonstrably isn't. Contradictions and inaccuracies all over the place.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #324 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:26pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

I totally agree.

It should be a criminal offence for adults to teach impressionable children that those parts of the bible which deal in fantasy are true.

Social ethics, values, and morality are something quite distinct from religious belief. The one does not inextricably depend upon the other as those with an emotional or political investment in religion would have you believe.

In fact religion's main purpose has always been to give certain people authority and power over other people. The priesthood was the very first profession - not prostitution as many would have you believe.

How do you propose to PROVE anything is not true?

Well a great deal of it demonstrably isn't. Contradictions and inaccuracies all over the place.

Such as ? Words are cheap.

There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

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Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #325 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:27pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

I do note that you have not yet attempted to support the existence of any ancient person using your standards of evidence. It says a lot - most of rather sad about you.

Aw, more lies? Shame you can't even follow your own commandments.

Look back, I used the same criteria on Pontius Pilate. mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

You have still not explained why you reject Johns eye-witness account which was written personally by him.

Because it is anonymous. Could have been written by literally anybody. Find me a conclusive author and you may very well have an eyewitness account, although seeing as it is generally agreed to having been written around 100AD this would likely raise further questions.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Gospel-According-to-John

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #326 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:31pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

I totally agree.

It should be a criminal offence for adults to teach impressionable children that those parts of the bible which deal in fantasy are true.

Social ethics, values, and morality are something quite distinct from religious belief. The one does not inextricably depend upon the other as those with an emotional or political investment in religion would have you believe.

In fact religion's main purpose has always been to give certain people authority and power over other people. The priesthood was the very first profession - not prostitution as many would have you believe.

How do you propose to PROVE anything is not true?

It works the other way around. It's for the christians to prove their mythology. Until then, it's child abuse.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #327 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:48pm

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

I totally agree.

It should be a criminal offence for adults to teach impressionable children that those parts of the bible which deal in fantasy are true.

Social ethics, values, and morality are something quite distinct from religious belief. The one does not inextricably depend upon the other as those with an emotional or political investment in religion would have you believe.

In fact religion's main purpose has always been to give certain people authority and power over other people. The priesthood was the very first profession - not prostitution as many would have you believe.

How do you propose to PROVE anything is not true?

It works the other way around. It's for the christians to prove their mythology. Until then, it's child abuse.

No its not its up to you to prove your ignorance is reality, which you cannot.

There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

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Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #328 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:55pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

How do you propose to PROVE anything is not true?

Well a great deal of it demonstrably isn't. Contradictions and inaccuracies all over the place. [/quote]

Such as ? Words are cheap. [/quote]

108. Christ is equal with God
         John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
      Christ is not equal with God
         John 14:28/ Matt 24:36
   109. Jesus was all-powerful
         Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
      Jesus was not all-powerful
         Mark 6:5
   110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
         Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
      The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
         Matt 5:17-19
   111. Christ's mission was peace
         Luke 2:13,14
      Christ's mission was not peace
         Matt 10:34
   112. Christ received not testimony from man
         John 5:33,34
      Christ did receive testimony from man
         John 15:27
   113. Christ's witness of himself is true.
         John 8:18,14
      Christ's witness of himself is not true.
         John 5:31
   114. Christ laid down his life for his friends
         John 15:13/ John 10:11
      Christ laid down his life for his enemies
         Rom 5:10
   115. It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
         John 19:7
      It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
         John 18:31
   116. Children are punished for the sins of the parents
         Ex 20:5
      Children are not punished for the sins of the parents
         Ezek 18:20
   117. Man is justified by faith alone
         Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2
      Man is not justified by faith alone
         James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13
   118. It is impossible to fall from grace
         John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39
      It is possible to fall from grace
         Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21
   119. No man is without sin
         1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10
      Christians are sinless
         1 John 3: 9,6,8
   120. There is to be a resurrection of the dead
         1 Cor 15:52/ Rev 20:12,13/ Luke 20:37/ 1 Cor 15:16
      There is to be no resurrection of the dead
         Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14
   121. Reward and punishment to be bestowed in this world
         Prov 11:31
      Reward and punishment to be bestowed in the next world
         Rev 20:12/ Matt 16:27/ 2 Cor 5:10
   122. Annihilation the portion of all mankind
         Job 3: 11,13-17,19-22/ Eccl 9:5,10/ Eccl 3:19,20
      Endless misery the portion of all mankind
         Matt 25:46/ Rev 20:10,15/ Rev 14:11/ Dan 12:2
   123. The Earth is to be destroyed
         2 Pet 3:10/ Heb 1:11/ Rev 20:11
      The Earth is never to be destroyed
         Ps 104:5/ Eccl 1:4
   124. No evil shall happen to the godly
         Prov 12:21/ 1 Pet 3:13
      Evil does happen to the godly
         Heb 12:6/ Job 2:3,7
   125. Worldly good and prosperity are the lot of the godly
         Prov 12:21/ Ps 37:28,32,33,37/ Ps 1:1,3/ Gen 39:2/
         Job 42:12
      Worldly misery and destitution the lot of the godly
         Heb 11:37,38/ Rev 7:14/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Luke 21:17
   126. Worldly prosperity a reward of righteousness and a blessing
         Mark 10:29,30/ Ps 37:25/ Ps 112:1,3/ Job 22:23,24/
         Prov 15:6
      Worldly prosperity a curse and a bar to future reward
         Luke 6:20,24/ Matt 6:19,21/ Luke 16:22/ Matt 19:24/
         Luke 6:24
   127. The Christian yoke is easy
         Matt 11:28,29,30
      The Christian yoke is not easy
         John 16:33/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Heb 12:6,8
   128. The fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness
         Gal 5:22
      The fruit of God's spirit is vengeance and fury
         Judg 15:14/ 1 Sam 18:10,11
   129. Longevity enjoyed by the wicked
         Job 21:7,8/ Ps 17:14/ Eccl 8:12/ Is 65:20
      Longevity denied to the wicked
         Eccl 8:13/ Ps 55:23/ Prov 10:27/ Job 36:14/ Eccl 7:17
   130. Poverty a blessing
         Luke 6:20,24/ Jams 2:5
      Riches a blessing
         Prov 10:15/ Job 22:23,24/ Job 42:12
      Neither poverty nor riches a blessing
         Prov 30:8,9
   131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment
         Prov 3:13,17
      Wisdom a source of vexation, grief and sorrow
         Eccl 1:17,18
   132. A good name is a blessing
         Eccl 7:1/ Prov 22:1
      A good name is a curse
         Luke 6:26
   133. Laughter commended
         Eccl 3:1,4/ Eccl 8:15
      Laughter condemned
         Luke 6:25/ Eccl 7:3,4
   134. The rod of correction a remedy for foolishness
         Prov 22:15
      There is no remedy for foolishness
         Prov 27:22
   135. A fool should be answered according to his folly
         Prov 26:5
   A fool should not be answered according to his folly
         Prov 26:4
   136. Temptation to be desired
         James 1:2
      Temptation not to be desired
         Matt 6:13
   137. Prophecy is sure
         2 Pet 1:19
      Prophecy is not sure
         Jer 18:7-10
   138. Man's life was to be one hundred and twenty years
         Gen 6:3/ Ps 90:10
      Man's life is but seventy years
         Ps 90:10

http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #329 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:56pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

I totally agree.

It should be a criminal offence for adults to teach impressionable children that those parts of the bible which deal in fantasy are true.

Social ethics, values, and morality are something quite distinct from religious belief. The one does not inextricably depend upon the other as those with an emotional or political investment in religion would have you believe.

In fact religion's main purpose has always been to give certain people authority and power over other people. The priesthood was the very first profession - not prostitution as many would have you believe.

How do you propose to PROVE anything is not true?

It works the other way around. It's for the christians to prove their mythology. Until then, it's child abuse.

No its not its up to you to prove your ignorance is reality, which you cannot.

Your claim is based on your own ignorance. One of basics of the bible, jesus, can not even be proven that he existed. If this can't be proven then it shows the book for it's mythologic and not factual value.

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