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Reply #330 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:58pm

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LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

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____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

I totally agree.

It should be a criminal offence for adults to teach impressionable children that those parts of the bible which deal in fantasy are true.

Social ethics, values, and morality are something quite distinct from religious belief. The one does not inextricably depend upon the other as those with an emotional or political investment in religion would have you believe.

In fact religion's main purpose has always been to give certain people authority and power over other people. The priesthood was the very first profession - not prostitution as many would have you believe.

How do you propose to PROVE anything is not true?

It works the other way around. It's for the christians to prove their mythology. Until then, it's child abuse.

No its not its up to you to prove your ignorance is reality, which you cannot.

Your claim is based on your own ignorance. One of basics of the bible, jesus, can not even be proven that he existed. If this can't be proven then it shows the book for it's mythologic and not factual value.

I don't make a claim, your claim is God does not exists, you cannot prove this. So you live in a closed minded ignorance.

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Reply #331 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:12pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:56pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

I totally agree.

It should be a criminal offence for adults to teach impressionable children that those parts of the bible which deal in fantasy are true.

Social ethics, values, and morality are something quite distinct from religious belief. The one does not inextricably depend upon the other as those with an emotional or political investment in religion would have you believe.

In fact religion's main purpose has always been to give certain people authority and power over other people. The priesthood was the very first profession - not prostitution as many would have you believe.

How do you propose to PROVE anything is not true?

It works the other way around. It's for the christians to prove their mythology. Until then, it's child abuse.

No its not its up to you to prove your ignorance is reality, which you cannot.

Your claim is based on your own ignorance. One of basics of the bible, jesus, can not even be proven that he existed. If this can't be proven then it shows the book for it's mythologic and not factual value.

I don't make a claim, your claim is God does not exists, you cannot prove this. So you live in a closed minded ignorance.

Shouldn't you be able to prove it if you teach it as fact in schools?

I went to a convent school. It was never taight to me as fact.

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Reply #332 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:19pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:56pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

I totally agree.

It should be a criminal offence for adults to teach impressionable children that those parts of the bible which deal in fantasy are true.

Social ethics, values, and morality are something quite distinct from religious belief. The one does not inextricably depend upon the other as those with an emotional or political investment in religion would have you believe.

In fact religion's main purpose has always been to give certain people authority and power over other people. The priesthood was the very first profession - not prostitution as many would have you believe.

How do you propose to PROVE anything is not true?

It works the other way around. It's for the christians to prove their mythology. Until then, it's child abuse.

No its not its up to you to prove your ignorance is reality, which you cannot.

Your claim is based on your own ignorance. One of basics of the bible, jesus, can not even be proven that he existed. If this can't be proven then it shows the book for it's mythologic and not factual value.

I don't make a claim, your claim is God does not exists, you cannot prove this. So you live in a closed minded ignorance.

i did not make the claim god doesn't exist. I state the bible is a work of fiction. Those that say it isn't can't even prove jesus existed. A major element within your mythological book.

So it's up to those that say the bible is factual to prove those facts.

Meanwhile, teaching this fictional book to children is child abuse.

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Reply #333 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:23pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

I don't make a claim, your claim is God does not exists, you cannot prove this.

Very few people who don't believe in deities make a claim that no gods exist. Personally I don't know if they do or not, but without evidence I'm not going to believe they are.

Certain deities you can disprove based on the claims made about them. If the claim doesn't stack up, the god doesn't exist in the form proposed.

My favourite contradiction is Goliath dying three times. Quite the oversight really.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #334 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:29pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:23pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

I don't make a claim, your claim is God does not exists, you cannot prove this.

Very few people who don't believe in deities make a claim that no gods exist. Personally I don't know if they do or not, but without evidence I'm not going to believe they are.

Certain deities you can disprove based on the claims made about them. If the claim doesn't stack up, the god doesn't exist in the form proposed.

My favourite contradiction is Goliath dying three times. Quite the oversight really.

Who said goliath died 3 times , 3 different authors ?

Whats that got to do with God.

Whether you believe God exists or not also is based on what you determine evidence is. If God existed He would have created evolution as we know it, the earth and birds and animals. The complex structure of nature and man. If you class all that as not God you will never see any evidence of any God in a physical world. As your world is determined by you. Just like Atheists running around telling everyone they know God does not exist. When clearly they do not.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #335 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:31pm LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:29pm: Who said goliath died 3 times , 3 different authors ? Once by David with a sling, once by David with a sword, once by Elhanan.
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Reply #336 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:35pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

Whether you believe God exists or not also is based on what you determine evidence is. If God existed He would have created evolution as we know it, the earth and birds and animals. The complex structure of nature and man. If you class all that as not God you will never see any evidence of any God in a physical world. As your world is determined by you. Just like Atheists running around telling everyone they know God does not exist. When clearly they do not.

I largely agree with that although i;d qualify that probably more Christians are Christians owing to perception than any evidence in the Bible.

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Reply #337 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:41pm

Your opinion only. If God in fact does reveal himself by His Holy Spirit entering a believer communing with their spirit you wouldn't know, until you believed through the Holy Spirits prompting of your spirit from the outside. As you reject that you're making assumptions of people when you have absolutely no idea of what their experience or relationship is with God.

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Reply #338 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:44pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

Your opinion only. If God in fact does reveal himself by His Holy Spirit entering a believer communing with their spirit you wouldn't know, until you believed through the Holy Spirits prompting of your spirit from the outside. As you reject that you're making assumptions of people when you have absolutely no idea of what their experience or relationship is with God.

That's precisely what i said. People believe more because of perception than they are swayed by the historical evidence of the Bible.

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Reply #339 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:49pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:44pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

Your opinion only. If God in fact does reveal himself by His Holy Spirit entering a believer communing with their spirit you wouldn't know, until you believed through the Holy Spirits prompting of your spirit from the outside. As you reject that you're making assumptions of people when you have absolutely no http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/resize_wb.gifidea of what their experience or relationship is with God.

That's precisely what i said. People believe more because of perception than they are swayed by the historical evidence of the Bible.

Actually its not what you said at all , and what I said has nothing to do with perception it has to do with you consciously rejecting God. From your point of view that would be perception of God no doubt from God's(being the Christian God) it would be rejecting his Holy Spirit prompting your spirit to accept Him. There is no need nor reason he should force Himself on you as that would deny you free will.

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Reply #340 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:52pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:49pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:44pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

Your opinion only. If God in fact does reveal himself by His Holy Spirit entering a believer communing with their spirit you wouldn't know, until you believed through the Holy Spirits prompting of your spirit from the outside. As you reject that you're making assumptions of people when you have absolutely no http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/resize_wb.gifidea of what their experience or relationship is with God.

That's precisely what i said. People believe more because of perception than they are swayed by the historical evidence of the Bible.

Actually its not what you said at all , and what I said has nothing to do with perception it has to do with you consciously rejecting God. From your point of view that would be perception of God no doubt from God's(being the Christian God) it would be rejecting his Holy Spirit prompting your spirit to accept Him. There is no need nor reason he should force Himself on you as that would deny you free will.

It's precisely what i said.

Anyway, how do you feel God if you do not perceive him? Or her. It means the same thing you know.

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Reply #341 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:58pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:49pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:44pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

Your opinion only. If God in fact does reveal himself by His Holy Spirit entering a believer communing with their spirit you wouldn't know, until you believed through the Holy Spirits prompting of your spirit from the outside. As you reject that you're making assumptions of people when you have absolutely no http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/resize_wb.gifidea of what their experience or relationship is with God.

That's precisely what i said. People believe more because of perception than they are swayed by the historical evidence of the Bible.

Actually its not what you said at all , and what I said has nothing to do with perception it has to do with you consciously rejecting God. From your point of view that would be perception of God no doubt from God's(being the Christian God) it would be rejecting his Holy Spirit prompting your spirit to accept Him. There is no need nor reason he should force Himself on you as that would deny you free will.

It's precisely what i said.

Anyway, how do you feel God if you do not perceive him? Or her. It means the same thing you know.

No its not precisely what you said at all. I never said you had to feel God. You receive rhema of God through the Holy Spirit if you believe. If you don't believe you are simply on your own bike until you find out at the end of your life by your own choosing. Easy peasy.

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Reply #342 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:00pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:58pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:49pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:44pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

Your opinion only. If God in fact does reveal himself by His Holy Spirit entering a believer communing with their spirit you wouldn't know, until you believed through the Holy Spirits prompting of your spirit from the outside. As you reject that you're making assumptions of people when you have absolutely no http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/resize_wb.gifidea of what their experience or relationship is with God.

That's precisely what i said. People believe more because of perception than they are swayed by the historical evidence of the Bible.

Actually its not what you said at all , and what I said has nothing to do with perception it has to do with you consciously rejecting God. From your point of view that would be perception of God no doubt from God's(being the Christian God) it would be rejecting his Holy Spirit prompting your spirit to accept Him. There is no need nor reason he should force Himself on you as that would deny you free will.

It's precisely what i said.

Anyway, how do you feel God if you do not perceive him? Or her. It means the same thing you know.

No its not precisely what you said at all. I never said you had to feel God. You receive rhema of God through the Holy Spirit if you believe. If you don't believe you are simply on your own bike until you find out at the end of your life by your own choosing. Easy peasy.

As i keep saying. You perceive the Holy Spirit. It's faith based, not logic based.

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Reply #344 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:35pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:58pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:49pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:44pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

Your opinion only. If God in fact does reveal himself by His Holy Spirit entering a believer communing with their spirit you wouldn't know, until you believed through the Holy Spirits prompting of your spirit from the outside. As you reject that you're making assumptions of people when you have absolutely no http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/resize_wb.gifidea of what their experience or relationship is with God.

That's precisely what i said. People believe more because of perception than they are swayed by the historical evidence of the Bible.

Actually its not what you said at all , and what I said has nothing to do with perception it has to do with you consciously rejecting God. From your point of view that would be perception of God no doubt from God's(being the Christian God) it would be rejecting his Holy Spirit prompting your spirit to accept Him. There is no need nor reason he should force Himself on you as that would deny you free will.

It's precisely what i said.

Anyway, how do you feel God if you do not perceive him? Or her. It means the same thing you know.

No its not precisely what you said at all. I never said you had to feel God. You receive rhema of God through the Holy Spirit if you believe. If you don't believe you are simply on your own bike until you find out at the end of your life by your own choosing. Easy peasy.

As i keep saying. You perceive the Holy Spirit. It's faith based, not logic based.

That's what the doctrine says it is not what I perceive it is. Your logic argument is logic based according to your paradigm no one elses.

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