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Reply #345 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm  
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:35pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:00pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:58pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:52pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:49pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:44pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:41pm:
Your opinion only. If God in fact does reveal himself by His Holy Spirit entering a believer communing with their spirit you wouldn't know, until you believed through the Holy Spirits prompting of your spirit from the outside. As you reject that you're making assumptions of people when you have absolutely no http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/resize_wb.gifidea of what their experience or relationship is with God.



That's precisely what i said. People believe more because of perception than they are swayed by the historical evidence of the Bible.



Actually its not what you said at all , and what I said has nothing to do with perception it has to do with you consciously rejecting God. From your point of view that would be perception of God no doubt from God's(being the Christian God) it would be rejecting his Holy Spirit prompting your spirit to accept Him. There is no need nor reason he should force Himself on you as that would deny you free will.



It's precisely what i said.

Anyway, how do you feel God if you do not perceive him? Or her. It means the same thing you know.


No its not precisely what you said at all. I never said you had to feel God. You receive rhema of God through the Holy Spirit if you believe. If you don't believe you are simply on your own bike until you find out at the end of your life by your own choosing. Easy peasy.


As i keep saying. You perceive the Holy Spirit. It's faith based, not logic based.


That's what the doctrine says it is not what I perceive it is.



You do not perceive the Holy Spirit? You;ve just been telling us how you do. Do you contend that most Christians ar Christians because of what the doctrine says, not what they perceive to be true?
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Reply #346 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm  
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:26pm:
Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.


Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #347 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:40pm  
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:26pm:
Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.


Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.


But learning, true learning, explores many doctrines. It also explores many points of view of free thinkers.

It is expansive to consider many schools of thought, yes?
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Reply #348 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:43pm  
mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:35pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:00pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:58pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:52pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:49pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:44pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:41pm:
Your opinion only. If God in fact does reveal himself by His Holy Spirit entering a believer communing with their spirit you wouldn't know, until you believed through the Holy Spirits prompting of your spirit from the outside. As you reject that you're making assumptions of people when you have absolutely no http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/resize_wb.gifidea of what their experience or relationship is with God.



That's precisely what i said. People believe more because of perception than they are swayed by the historical evidence of the Bible.



Actually its not what you said at all , and what I said has nothing to do with perception it has to do with you consciously rejecting God. From your point of view that would be perception of God no doubt from God's(being the Christian God) it would be rejecting his Holy Spirit prompting your spirit to accept Him. There is no need nor reason he should force Himself on you as that would deny you free will.



It's precisely what i said.

Anyway, how do you feel God if you do not perceive him? Or her. It means the same thing you know.


No its not precisely what you said at all. I never said you had to feel God. You receive rhema of God through the Holy Spirit if you believe. If you don't believe you are simply on your own bike until you find out at the end of your life by your own choosing. Easy peasy.


As i keep saying. You perceive the Holy Spirit. It's faith based, not logic based.


That's what the doctrine says it is not what I perceive it is.



You do not perceive the Holy Spirit? You;ve just been telling us how you do. Do you contend that most Christians ar Christians because of what the doctrine says, not what they perceive to be true?


What they know is true through rhema via the Holy Ghost like I said before. Simple really. I contend they are Christians because they believed and then knew. Just like the bible says. IE The doctrine.

You perceive its not true so be happy with your rejection of God. Its your choice no Christian will force you to believe. Their job is but only to bring you to a point of decision. Simply accept or reject the gospel message. No dramas at all.
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #349 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:44pm  
mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:40pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:26pm:
Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.


Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.


But learning, true learning, explores many doctrines. It also explores many points of view of free thinkers.

It is expansive to consider many schools of thought, yes?


I am talking about true learning as a free thinker not a close minded fool.

Seek and ye shall find.
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #350 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:45pm  
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:44pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:40pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:26pm:
Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.


Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.


But learning, true learning, explores many doctrines. It also explores many points of view of free thinkers.

It is expansive to consider many schools of thought, yes?


I am talking about true learning.

Seek and ye shall find.


There are a great many things to find.
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #351 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:50pm  

While we train altar boys - despite the depredations of a corrupt clergy:



Rats in the silo.
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Reply #352 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:51pm  
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:26pm:
Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.


Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.


I can almost smell the fear. No wonder you believe.

Edit: Re your challenge, so the last chance for a cop out on all your ill doings is just before you die...

Nah, I'll take responsibility for myself. Pity I couldn't give it to you in writing somehow as part of my will, but there will be no deathbed acceptance of your god from me.
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Reply #353 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:57pm  
Setanta wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:51pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:26pm:
Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.


Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.


I can almost smell the fear. No wonder you believe.


I have no fear, I can smell your fear though that you need to try and put me down because I may in fact be correct. You are right to fear the truth because you deny it. I have no problem with the fact that you have made your decision to reject Christ. Live with it in peace not derision. I can live with yours and my decision. Can you ?
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Reply #354 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:00am  
mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:45pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:44pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:40pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:26pm:
Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.


Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.


But learning, true learning, explores many doctrines. It also explores many points of view of free thinkers.

It is expansive to consider many schools of thought, yes?


I am talking about true learning.

Seek and ye shall find.


There are a great many things to find.


And if there is a one true God would he not know you are looking and guide you to the truth and teach you because he loves you.
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #355 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:01am  
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:57pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:51pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:26pm:
Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.


Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.


I can almost smell the fear. No wonder you believe.


I have no fear, I can smell your fear though that you need to try and put me down because I may in fact be correct. You are right to fear the truth because you deny it. I have no problem with the fact that you have made your decision to reject Christ. Live with it in peace not derision. I can live with yours and my decision. Can you ?


Wink I think you may be mistaken, but carry on. Just think it's Allah or Yhwy you'll be facing if there is such a thing..
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Reply #356 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:02am  
Setanta wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:51pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:26pm:
Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.


Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.


I can almost smell the fear. No wonder you believe.

Edit: Re your challenge, so the last chance for a cop out on all your ill doings is just before you die...

Nah, I'll take responsibility for myself. Pity I couldn't give it to you in writing somehow as part of my will, but there will be no deathbed acceptance of your god from me.


I have no problem with that. You have been bought to a point of decision and you have chosen to reject Jesus Christ. Every man makes his own decisions. Moving right along so the story goes for all of us.
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Reply #357 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:04am  
Setanta wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:01am:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:57pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:51pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:26pm:
Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.


Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.


I can almost smell the fear. No wonder you believe.


I have no fear, I can smell your fear though that you need to try and put me down because I may in fact be correct. You are right to fear the truth because you deny it. I have no problem with the fact that you have made your decision to reject Christ. Live with it in peace not derision. I can live with yours and my decision. Can you ?


Wink I think you may be mistaken, but carry on. Just think it's Allah or Yhwy you'll be facing if there is such a thing..


You can think what you want its not up to me to tell you what to think. Every man has a free will.
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Reply #358 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:09am  
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:00am:
mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:45pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:44pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:40pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:26pm:
Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.


Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.


But learning, true learning, explores many doctrines. It also explores many points of view of free thinkers.

It is expansive to consider many schools of thought, yes?


I am talking about true learning.

Seek and ye shall find.


There are a great many things to find.


And if there is a one true God would he not know you are looking and guide you to the truth and teach you because he loves you.



You just said God wasn't interventionist?
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Reply #359 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:15am  
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:02am:
Setanta wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:51pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:26pm:
Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.


Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.


I can almost smell the fear. No wonder you believe.

Edit: Re your challenge, so the last chance for a cop out on all your ill doings is just before you die...

Nah, I'll take responsibility for myself. Pity I couldn't give it to you in writing somehow as part of my will, but there will be no deathbed acceptance of your god from me.


I have no problem with that. You have been bought to a point of decision and you have chosen to reject Jesus Christ. Every man makes his own decisions. Moving right along so the story goes for all of us.


I have been brought to that decision over many years. My first 9 years at school was Catholic education. I got involved with the Evangelists in the '80s, wife was a bit of a fundy, she just stopped talking about it one day, never brought it up and I asked her why. You know what she said? "It's a lot of bullshiit, you can only keep up the facade when you follow the exact verses the pastor lays out and believe it."
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