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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #360 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:15am

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:09am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:00am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.

Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.

But learning, true learning, explores many doctrines. It also explores many points of view of free thinkers.

It is expansive to consider many schools of thought, yes?

I am talking about true learning.

Seek and ye shall find.

There are a great many things to find.

And if there is a one true God would he not know you are looking and guide you to the truth and teach you because he loves you.

You just said God wasn't interventionist?

Whats the point here seriously lets skip to it. Do you have a question if so be specific. If you want to discuss something lets discuss.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #361 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:21am

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:09am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:00am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.

Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.

But learning, true learning, explores many doctrines. It also explores many points of view of free thinkers.

It is expansive to consider many schools of thought, yes?

I am talking about true learning.

Seek and ye shall find.

There are a great many things to find.

And if there is a one true God would he not know you are looking and guide you to the truth and teach you because he loves you.

You just said God wasn't interventionist?

Whats the point here seriously lets skip to it. Do you have a question if so be specific. If you want to discuss something lets discuss.

Well, if you did say he was not interventionist, and then claim he is later...
Valid Q.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #362 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:22am

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:09am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:00am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.

Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.

But learning, true learning, explores many doctrines. It also explores many points of view of free thinkers.

It is expansive to consider many schools of thought, yes?

I am talking about true learning.

Seek and ye shall find.

There are a great many things to find.

And if there is a one true God would he not know you are looking and guide you to the truth and teach you because he loves you.

You just said God wasn't interventionist?

Whats the point here seriously lets skip to it. Do you have a question if so be specific. If you want to discuss something lets discuss.

No seriously. You said God wasn't interventionist but then you said that God would guide to seek the truth in his or her teachings if you embarked on the journey.

Which is it?

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #363 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:30am

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:22am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:09am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:00am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.

Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.

But learning, true learning, explores many doctrines. It also explores many points of view of free thinkers.

It is expansive to consider many schools of thought, yes?

I am talking about true learning.

Seek and ye shall find.

There are a great many things to find.

And if there is a one true God would he not know you are looking and guide you to the truth and teach you because he loves you.

You just said God wasn't interventionist?

Whats the point here seriously lets skip to it. Do you have a question if so be specific. If you want to discuss something lets discuss.

No seriously. You said God wasn't interventionist but then you said that God would guide to seek the truth in his or her teachings if you embarked on the journey.

Which is it?

If he wasn't interventionist, prayers are a waste of time.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #364 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:32am

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:22am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:09am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:00am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.

Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.

But learning, true learning, explores many doctrines. It also explores many points of view of free thinkers.

It is expansive to consider many schools of thought, yes?

I am talking about true learning.

Seek and ye shall find.

There are a great many things to find.

And if there is a one true God would he not know you are looking and guide you to the truth and teach you because he loves you.

You just said God wasn't interventionist?

Whats the point here seriously lets skip to it. Do you have a question if so be specific. If you want to discuss something lets discuss.

No seriously. You said God wasn't interventionist but then you said that God would guide to seek the truth in his or her teachings if you embarked on the journey.

Which is it?

Which God are we talking about?

You need to be specific - there is a great difference in the journeys they espouse.

There is the 'God of Peace' and the 'God of Love'.

Why can't they get along?

Grin

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #365 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:36am

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:30am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:22am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:09am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:00am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.

Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.

But learning, true learning, explores many doctrines. It also explores many points of view of free thinkers.

It is expansive to consider many schools of thought, yes?

I am talking about true learning.

Seek and ye shall find.

There are a great many things to find.

And if there is a one true God would he not know you are looking and guide you to the truth and teach you because he loves you.

You just said God wasn't interventionist?

Whats the point here seriously lets skip to it. Do you have a question if so be specific. If you want to discuss something lets discuss.

No seriously. You said God wasn't interventionist but then you said that God would guide to seek the truth in his or her teachings if you embarked on the journey.

Which is it?

If he wasn't interventionist, prayers are a waste of time.

So it would seem. So would the adherence to any book on offer. God would know our 'souls'.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16616 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #366 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:36am Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:32am: Which God are we talking about? LifeOrDeath's I think. All the same to me.
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #367 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:39am

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:32am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:22am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:09am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:00am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.

Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.

But learning, true learning, explores many doctrines. It also explores many points of view of free thinkers.

It is expansive to consider many schools of thought, yes?

I am talking about true learning.

Seek and ye shall find.

There are a great many things to find.

And if there is a one true God would he not know you are looking and guide you to the truth and teach you because he loves you.

You just said God wasn't interventionist?

Whats the point here seriously lets skip to it. Do you have a question if so be specific. If you want to discuss something lets discuss.

No seriously. You said God wasn't interventionist but then you said that God would guide to seek the truth in his or her teachings if you embarked on the journey.

Which is it?

Which God are we talking about?

You need to be specific - there is a great difference in the journeys they espouse.

There is the 'God of Peace' and the 'God of Love'.

Why can't they get along?

Grin

I dunno. They seem to squabbling about trivial details. Like when it;s ok to beat your wife, or have slaves, or talk back to your parents. It's hard to follow what's ok or not, if you follow the old books and not just a perception.

All Gods are one God?

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #368 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:40am

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:22am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:09am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:00am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.

Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.

But learning, true learning, explores many doctrines. It also explores many points of view of free thinkers.

It is expansive to consider many schools of thought, yes?

I am talking about true learning.

Seek and ye shall find.

There are a great many things to find.

And if there is a one true God would he not know you are looking and guide you to the truth and teach you because he loves you.

You just said God wasn't interventionist?

Whats the point here seriously lets skip to it. Do you have a question if so be specific. If you want to discuss something lets discuss.

No seriously. You said God wasn't interventionist but then you said that God would guide to seek the truth in his or her teachings if you embarked on the journey.

Which is it?

Seriously is that it? Where did I say God wasn't interventionist. This is getting rather silly.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #369 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:45am

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:02am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.

Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.

I can almost smell the fear. No wonder you believe.

Edit: Re your challenge, so the last chance for a cop out on all your ill doings is just before you die...

Nah, I'll take responsibility for myself. Pity I couldn't give it to you in writing somehow as part of my will, but there will be no deathbed acceptance of your god from me.

I have no problem with that. You have been bought to a point of decision and you have chosen to reject Jesus Christ. Every man makes his own decisions. Moving right along so the story goes for all of us.

I have been brought to that decision over many years. My first 9 years at school was Catholic education. I got involved with the Evangelists in the '80s, wife was a bit of a fundy, she just stopped talking about it one day, never brought it up and I asked her why. You know what she said? "It's a lot of bullshiit, you can only keep up the facade when you follow the exact verses the pastor lays out and believe it."

Same here, skip the Roman Catholic part for me. Jesus teachings are very simple I have yet to meet anyone really that can keep his basic commands let alone aspire to be so called fundy prophets. I have met man y clowns and fools as you have I trust.

Jesus was simple and so is God its stupid mankind that screws it all up. I let all the rubbish go and try to keep the simple teachings of jesus and accept what he did as far as salvation is concerned and try my best.

Leave the nutters and fools and money grabber to themselves they have their rewards on earth.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #370 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:53am

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

Leave the nutters and fools and money grabber to themselves they have their rewards on earth.

I think that if there was an interventionist god, he would be self evident to all. That is not the case. We may have a non-interventionist god, but... No evidence either way.

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Reply #371 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:59am

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:53am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

Leave the nutters and fools and money grabber to themselves they have their rewards on earth.

I think that if there was an interventionist god, he would be self evident to all. That is not the case. We may have a non-interventionist god, but... No evidence either way.

Maybe he is reaching out to you right now through this conversation and wants you to ask him into your life later on tonight in a quiet room just you and him so he can commune with your spirit and make himself real. That's how his holy spirit works. Not the fundy version. The small still voice he says that brings the peace that surpasses understanding into ones spirit.

The bible speaks of people that go their whole lives not knowing him but full of their own knowledge and never finding peace and understanding.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #372 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:01am

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:02am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Faith, logic, who the bugger cares? Life is about the perpetuation of your genetic code.

Make the same comment on your death bed. I challenge you too, when that time comes, if in fact you get the chance to make that comment. Better to be open to continual learning than closing the mind.

I can almost smell the fear. No wonder you believe.

Edit: Re your challenge, so the last chance for a cop out on all your ill doings is just before you die...

Nah, I'll take responsibility for myself. Pity I couldn't give it to you in writing somehow as part of my will, but there will be no deathbed acceptance of your god from me.

I have no problem with that. You have been bought to a point of decision and you have chosen to reject Jesus Christ. Every man makes his own decisions. Moving right along so the story goes for all of us.

I have been brought to that decision over many years. My first 9 years at school was Catholic education. I got involved with the Evangelists in the '80s, wife was a bit of a fundy, she just stopped talking about it one day, never brought it up and I asked her why. You know what she said? "It's a lot of bullshiit, you can only keep up the facade when you follow the exact verses the pastor lays out and believe it."

Same here, skip the Roman Catholic part for me. Jesus teachings are very simple I have yet to meet anyone really that can keep his basic commands let alone aspire to be so called fundy prophets. I have met man y clowns and fools as you have I trust.

Jesus was simple and so is God its stupid mankind that screws it all up. I let all the rubbish go and try to keep the simple teachings of jesus and accept what he did as far as salvation is concerned and try my best.

Leave the nutters and fools and money grabber to themselves they have their rewards on earth.

So your teachings about Jesus do not lead you towards accepting humanity wherever it finds itself?

You are preoccupied with those who fall short of Christ's teachings?

Isn't that all of us? Isn't that you?

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #373 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:03am

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:01am:

So your teachings about Jesus do not lead you towards accepting humanity wherever it finds itself?

Where ever humanity finds itself ? I never knew it was looking for itself in the first place.

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:01am:

You are preoccupied with those who fall short of Christ's teachings?

Nothing about Christ in here, we are talking about islam and its doctrine full stop.

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:01am:

Isn't that all of us? Isn't that you?

Isn't what what exactly ??

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Reply #374 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:08am

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:59am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:53am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

Leave the nutters and fools and money grabber to themselves they have their rewards on earth.

I think that if there was an interventionist god, he would be self evident to all. That is not the case. We may have a non-interventionist god, but... No evidence either way.

Maybe he is reaching out to you right now through this conversation and wants you to ask him into your life later on tonight in a quiet room just you and him so he can commune with your spirit and make himself real. That's how his holy spirit works. Not the fundy version. The small still voice he says that brings the peace that surpasses understanding into ones spirit.

The bible speaks of people that go their whole lives not knowing him but full of their own knowledge and never finding peace and understanding.

This thread is not what I would call god being "self evident".

Not the fundy version? Are they all wrong in their tongues and hands? Surely not.

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