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Reply #435 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:10am

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:56am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:42am:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

I'm not upset and that is something you cannot make happen.

Cannot make what happen ?

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

Would invisible friend have been nicer?

Not sure what your question is here. What has that got to do with the existence of a God.

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

You do have a thin skin.

It takes a thinner skin to babble on about the fact you know there is no god when clearly you wouldn't know.

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

No. if I f up I accept the consequences and learn from the experience. I'm not "forgiven".

Learn from what experience. If a god does exist and you never accepted his salvation I'd say you are not forgiven by his standards if that is in fact what you are alluding too.

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

I'm not telling you that either, it's an assumption you have made, but you are right, I don't believe there is one.

Cool that is your belief and others have theirs.

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

I could be wrong but if I am, god is nothing like any religion puts forth.

Yet you wouldn't know either way. Thats pretty closed minded. Do you blindly follow the people that teach you this stuff.

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

Edit: I disbelieve in man's gods. All of them.

So I take it you believe in the non mans gods then. Or do you just stick to your belief system none exists based on mans knowledge.

Thats a bit closed minded.

1: Make me upset.
2: Nicer than bible jockey?
3: I told you I don't know but I don't believe there is, especially any idea of god that man has had. You are the one sticking up for something and proclaiming it, not me.
4: Learn from the experiences life throws at you, when you f up, maybe you need to talk to Aquascoot. He'll explain it. How to be successful and all.
5: I don't think I have ever proclaimed that I am right. That doesn't preclude me believing you are wrong.
6: Yet you also don't know either way unless there's something you are hiding. I know you believe what other men have told you, you didn't discover your christ all by yourself. He was foisted upon you by your culture and/or parents.

1. So you think I can't make you upset. Not sure what your point is.
2. Just another display of an atheist trying to make someone upset. Not sure why you think it would be any different.
3. Yes I said you have your belief and others theirs. I am sticking up for people atheists abuse when they themselves clearly would not know if a god existed or not. It is very childish to force their views on someone else when simply it is just based on their beliefs.
4 Everybody learns from lifes experiences, I fail to see why you make silly comments re aquascoot.
5 You can't prove that you are right that's my whole point as your belief is that I am wrong and you are free to hold that belief as I believe you are wrong.
6 I have my own reasons for belief I have no need to force my belief on you nor abuse you for not believing me. As far as hiding something goes that was a bit dramatic don't you think. I don't believe other men at all. They sparked my curiosity and in my life I have drawn my own conclusions and found what I consider truth and reality. Of course if Christ existed there would be stories about him. Of course if a God existed he would have made himself real to a seeker of him. If someone believes he is not real so be it.

I fail to see the drama about running around crying imaginary friend, man in the sky and there is no god when clearly you wouldn't know. Its just your belief that you have. You have a right to believe just like the ones you try and be a smart ass too.

Do you not make a bit of fun/take the of piss those you find foolish? I think I may have seen you exhibit that trait. The only time I even think about this is when you and the other believers bring it up. If you'll notice, I responded to you originally, not you me. And you clearly wouldn't know if there were any sky papas or not either, would you? Believers make a claim, a claim I cannot swallow. If there was no pushing of religions being true, we'd never speak of it again. If believers would just keep it to themselves. Like Jesus said, in ya closet.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #436 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:23am

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:10am:

Do you not make a bit of fun/take the of piss those you find foolish?

The ones I know are foolish yes.

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:10am:

I think I may have seen you exhibit that trait.

Well done. If people are fools by all means treat them as they want, fools.

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:10am:

The only time I even think about this is when you and the other believers bring it up.

That's nice.

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:10am:

If you'll notice, I responded to you originally, not you me.

So.

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:10am:

And you clearly wouldn't know if there were any sky papas or not either, would you?

Yet you clearly wouldn't know what I know would you.
That would be between me and God not you.
You also have no proof there isn't a sky papa just for atheists.

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:10am:

Believers make a claim, a claim I cannot swallow.

Atheists make a claim a claim they cannot prove.
Good for you don't swallow it then.

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:10am:

If there was no pushing of religions being true, we'd never speak of it again.

Clearly

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:10am:

If believers would just keep it to themselves. Like Jesus said, in ya closet.

If atheists would just keep their beliefs to themselves too.

To be clear Jesus never said in ya closet he said take the Gospel message to the ends of the Earth and share the good news. You reject His message then so be it. Others are happy for you to have your belief.

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Reply #438 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:38am

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

The one that takes offence first has the thinnest skin around here it seems, that would be you on this one.

Why do you need it and we don't? To those that don't it looks very much like a coping mechanism, it's an observation.

A psychiatrist once said to me: "What religion does to some people, we have to undo".

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Reply #439 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:41am

Stratos wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:43am:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:23am:

Atheists make a claim a claim they cannot prove.

No they don't. What exactly do you think an atheist is?

Definition:
Atheism is a religion that believes in God's nonexistence.
There are atheist churches particularly across the western world.
Some scholars consider atheists as spiritual cripples. Similar like blind people who don't have vision, atheists have no spiritual and mental capacity to recognize God's existence.
Some experts think that combination of counseling and proper medication can help them to overcome their disability.
Recent survey found that large number of homosexuals are also atheists.
Typical for atheists and homosexuals is they are extremely aggressive in convincing people they are right which requires very diplomatic and tactful approach in discussions with them.
Here Are Some Atheist Churches

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #440 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:44am

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:23am:

If atheists would just keep their beliefs to themselves too.

To be clear Jesus never said in ya closet he said take the Gospel message to the ends of the Earth and share the good news.

Become a bugger*** door-knocker, in other words ...

Thanks, Jesus, but do you see us atheists knocking on doors to upset people having their dinner and enjoying a little peace after a hard day at the office?

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Reply #442 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:54am

Thanks for that, Athos. I didn't know they've formed a church.

Personally, I'm not an atheist but an agnostic just like everyone else - that is, I'm a 'Don't Really Know' person - (just like everyone else on this planet, including the Pope, gandalf, and Freediver).

Incidentally, I regard religious people as being patients, and as such I'm careful to adopt my best bedside manner when talking to them.

The expression: "To have faith" is a nonsense, of course. It's wishful-thinking just like the New Guinea natives have their Cargo Cult waiting for planes to drop goodies from the sky.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #443 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:02am

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 10:20pm:

I think the story of Jericho is a good one about bible accuracy and acceptance of the historicity of the bible. When the wanderers of the desert, slaves from Egypt, for which there is no archaeological evidence, marched around Jericho, there was no walled city to march around. The exodus is fibs, the conquest of Canaan by Israelites is fibs as the Israelites were Canaanites and not newcomers, as archaeology shows. There was even a Mrs. El at one point.

Edit: Here from wiki which you all hate because it references it data.

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According to Joshua 6:1-27, the walls of Jericho fell after Joshua's Israelite army marched around the city blowing their trumpets. Excavations at Tell es-Sultan, the biblical Jericho, have failed to produce data to substantiate the biblical story,[2] and scholars are virtually unanimous that the Book of Joshua holds little of historical value.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jericho
Feel free to read the [2] and [3] references.

Well it is wiki... However, other sources show that there is ample evidence for the existence of Jericho and they have found and excavated a city that was found to have been destroyed by fire - as the Biblical account claims.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #444 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:03am

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:38am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

The one that takes offence first has the thinnest skin around here it seems, that would be you on this one.

Why do you need it and we don't? To those that don't it looks very much like a coping mechanism, it's an observation.

A psychiatrist once said to me: "What religion does to some people, we have to undo".

Not much of a claim given the failures of psychiatry and the damage it has caused many.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #445 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:23am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:03am:

Not much of a claim given the failures of psychiatry and the damage it has caused many.

That's a classical piece of non sequitur - but I heartily agree with you that psychiatry has so far been a dismal failure whose main beneficiaries have been the drug companies and the vastly over-paid Pretenders who are attracted to this snake-oil profession.

My one and only praise of psychiatrists is that at one time they were the profession with the highest suicide rate - and for this they should be congratulated heartily for at least being people of sincere conscience and remorse for the fraudulent service that most of them provide.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #446 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:14am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 7:51am:

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

I totally agree.

It should be a criminal offence for adults to teach impressionable children that those parts of the bible which deal in fantasy are true.

Social ethics, values, and morality are something quite distinct from religious belief. The one does not inextricably depend upon the other as those with an emotional or political investment in religion would have you believe.

In fact religion's main purpose has always been to give certain people authority and power over other people. The priesthood was the very first profession - not prostitution as many would have you believe.

How do you propose to PROVE anything is not true?

Well a great deal of it demonstrably isn't. Contradictions and inaccuracies all over the place.

Once again, you are going to have to PROVE it. Your comments and claims alone are worthless.

I already did. Read back.

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Reply #447 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:20pm

athos wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:41am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:43am:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:23am:

Atheists make a claim a claim they cannot prove.

No they don't. What exactly do you think an atheist is?

Definition:
Atheism is a religion that believes in God's nonexistence.
There are atheist churches particularly across the western world.
Some scholars consider atheists as spiritual cripples. Similar like blind people who don't have vision, atheists have no spiritual and mental capacity to recognize God's existence.
Some experts think that combination of counseling and proper medication can help them to overcome their disability.
Recent survey found that large number of homosexuals are also atheists.
Typical for atheists and homosexuals is they are extremely aggressive in convincing people they are right which requires very diplomatic and tactful approach in discussions with them.

While there are some people who make the claim the "God does not exist", most atheists don't. They simply lack a positive belief in the existence of God/s.

There are also groups of atheists that get together and share common interests, but that is incidental to being an atheist. One does not require anything other not having a belief in God to be an atheist, that's it.

With they way most religions treat homosexuals, I'm not surprised.

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Reply #448 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:52pm

The correct description is that atheists assert there is definitely no god, while agnostics say the science is not in yet, and so it's impossible to make a determination one way or the other.

The Believers say they want to believe there is a god - and that 'He' is a benign god ... and that all you need is FAITH in order to sustain this wishful-thinking for the rest of your life.

The vast majority of psychologists and psychiatrists are not religious, and that's because they know the mechanisms that are operating in the human psyche that give rise to religious belief, and this, despite it being based upon superstition, wishful-thinking, and neurotic fears instilled by priests and Sunday School teachers in ones earliest years.

But I would never dissuade anyone from his religious beliefs. We are all of us patients of one psychological infirmity or another, and if religion acts as a palliative and a comfort for some - then who am I to deny them this?

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Reply #449 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 3:16pm

Religion was invented to explain the inexplicable at a time when scientific research was not at the level that it is today. Somewhere along the line a bunch of twats decided that they could use it to control the masses, viz the inquisition -

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms—oh damn!

Surely we are now at a stage where the theatre of religion is no longer needed

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