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Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. (Read 31479 times)
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #465 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:47pm
 
mothra wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:42pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:37pm:
I have challenged all your points quite successfully, but you simply refuse to accept any explanations, any evidence or proofs, because you have a narrative to support.




No. You haven't. Not a one.

This thread has been a spectacular exercise in dodging verification by you. You've made all of these preposterous claims and not backed up a single one of them.

And i have no narrative to suport Maria. You do though, And you are doing a very poor job of supporting it.



Actually it has been a spectacular example of how you and stratos ignore or refute anything brought to you. Not by compelling argument or contrary-fact, but solely by opinion.  'eye-witness' means different things to stratos and... well everyone else.

I would thoroughly enjoy a spirited debate on Christian apologetics. It is a fascinating and detailed topic. The trouble is that both of you bring hopeless levels of bias and blindness to the debate and only one of you brings any intelligence (and mothra, it ain't you).  These debates require education and a degree of integrity and character  one does not often find here.
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Reply #466 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:53pm
 
One secular historian to support your case Maria. That's all i asked for.
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Reply #467 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:55pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:47pm:
'eye-witness' means different things to stratos and... well everyone else.


Who wrote John's gospel?

Answer that question and you may very well have an eyewitness.  Probably have quite a few awards heading your way too for solving a great mystery.  No author is named, it could have been written by anybody at any time before the year ~95 AD. 

You have an anonymous author, no eyewitness, and are now either being deliberately obtuse or in denial.  I have explained this to you several times and you have not provided any answers as to who wrote the book.  So name who you believe wrote the book and we can investigate the evidence that they did so.  Until then, stop avoiding the question, and breaking the ninth commandment.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #468 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:57pm
 
mothra wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:53pm:
One secular historian to support your case Maria. That's all i asked for.


I was more generous.  I would be convinced by one account that was contemporary to Jesus proposed lifetime, either written or archaeological.  Maria didn't give any, and as far as I'm aware there isn't any.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #469 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:07pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 5:36pm:
Have you ever considered that you might be completely wrong?


Yes I have.

You yourself must have asked this question of yourself at some time in the past - and apparently the answer that made most sense to you from a logical perspective was "Hell no! I'm completely right in believing there's a god!"

So ... walk us through the process that led you to this conclusion.
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Reply #470 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:08pm
 
Stratos wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:43am:
He Man wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 1:23am:
Atheists make a claim a claim they cannot prove.


No they don't.  What exactly do you think an atheist is?


Yes they do.

Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God."

Which dictionary do you prefer to come under when you say God does not exist because you believe he doesn't ?

Something which you cannot prove which negates running around sooking over people that believe there is one.
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Reply #471 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:09pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:07pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 5:36pm:
Have you ever considered that you might be completely wrong?


Yes I have.

You yourself must have asked this question of yourself at some time in the past - and apparently the answer that made most sense to you from a logical perspective was "Hell no! I'm completely right in believing there's a god!"

So ... walk us through the process that led you to this conclusion.


How about you walk us through the process that led you to tell people there is no god ?
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #472 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:10pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:47pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:42pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:37pm:
I have challenged all your points quite successfully, but you simply refuse to accept any explanations, any evidence or proofs, because you have a narrative to support.




No. You haven't. Not a one.

This thread has been a spectacular exercise in dodging verification by you. You've made all of these preposterous claims and not backed up a single one of them.

And i have no narrative to suport Maria. You do though, And you are doing a very poor job of supporting it.



Actually it has been a spectacular example of how you and stratos ignore or refute anything brought to you. Not by compelling argument or contrary-fact, but solely by opinion.  'eye-witness' means different things to stratos and... well everyone else.

I would thoroughly enjoy a spirited debate on Christian apologetics. It is a fascinating and detailed topic. The trouble is that both of you bring hopeless levels of bias and blindness to the debate and only one of you brings any intelligence (and mothra, it ain't you).  These debates require education and a degree of integrity and character  one does not often find here.


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Reply #473 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:15pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:26pm:
There might actually be purple unicorns living in your garden, too.

However, there's as much proof to substantiate that claim as there is to prove the existence of a God.


Precisely. This horny hypothetical is sure to slam-dunk Maria into the middle of next week.

Meanwhile, turn out the lights last one to leave, please.
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Reply #474 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:16pm
 
He Man wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
it is a lack of belief in gods.


This is the same as a total disbelief that there are no gods though you see?

You do not need to 100% deny something exists to not believe in it.  If I were for example to ask you if you are totally sure that the Yeti does not exist, if you honest were you would probably come to the answer, no.  This doesn't mean you are claiming that yetis cannot possibly exist, it just means that you don't believe they do.  A disbelief in something does not necessitate a denial of their existence.

I will continue to not believe in gods (or yetis) until such evidence presents itself.

(feel free to replace "yeti" with your substitute favourite mythological creature Tongue)

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #475 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:16pm
 
He Man wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
Stratos wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:43am:
He Man wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 1:23am:
Atheists make a claim a claim they cannot prove.


No they don't.  What exactly do you think an atheist is?


Yes they do.

Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God."

Which dictionary do you prefer to come under when you say God does not exist because you believe he doesn't ?

Something which you cannot prove which negates running around sooking over people that believe there is one.


Not any I know. For me it's a case of lack of belief in gods because it's unreasonable to believe something without evidence, just because someone said so.
I don't sook over believers, I disagree with them, you on the other hand seem to sook over non-believers, trying to tell them what atheism is and that their non-belief is a belief.

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Reply #476 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:17pm
 
He Man wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:07pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 5:36pm:
Have you ever considered that you might be completely wrong?


Yes I have.

You yourself must have asked this question of yourself at some time in the past - and apparently the answer that made most sense to you from a logical perspective was "Hell no! I'm completely right in believing there's a god!"

So ... walk us through the process that led you to this conclusion.


How about you walk us through the process that led you to tell people there is no god ?


I'm an agnostic, remember? I am 'without knowledge' of a god.
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #477 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:20pm
 
Setanta wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:16pm:
He Man wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
Stratos wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 6:43am:
He Man wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 1:23am:
Atheists make a claim a claim they cannot prove.


No they don't.  What exactly do you think an atheist is?


Yes they do.

Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God."

Which dictionary do you prefer to come under when you say God does not exist because you believe he doesn't ?

Something which you cannot prove which negates running around sooking over people that believe there is one.


Not any I know. For me it's a case of lack of belief in gods because it's unreasonable to believe something without evidence, just because someone said so.
I don't sook over believers, I disagree with them, you on the other hand seem to sook over non-believers, trying to tell them what atheism is and that their non-belief is a belief.




Don;t forget they squabble about what branch of Christianity they believe. He Man here, well 'he' doesn't like Catholics but Maria is mad about them.

They conveniently avoid taking each other on about it though. I wonder if they secretly think the other is damned like they see to think the rest of us are?
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Reply #478 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:25pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:17pm:
He Man wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:07pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 8th, 2015 at 5:36pm:
Have you ever considered that you might be completely wrong?


Yes I have.

You yourself must have asked this question of yourself at some time in the past - and apparently the answer that made most sense to you from a logical perspective was "Hell no! I'm completely right in believing there's a god!"

So ... walk us through the process that led you to this conclusion.


How about you walk us through the process that led you to tell people there is no god ?


I'm an agnostic, remember? I am 'without knowledge' of a god.


What do you consider knowledge of a god ?
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Reply #479 - Nov 8th, 2015 at 7:27pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:30pm:
Scaring children will demons, torture, and so on, of course is child abuse.

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So much for TV.
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