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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #480 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:28pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

it is a lack of belief in gods.

This is the same as a total disbelief that there are no gods though you see?

You do not need to 100% deny something exists to not believe in it. If I were for example to ask you if you are totally sure that the Yeti does not exist, if you honest were you would probably come to the answer, no. This doesn't mean you are claiming that yetis cannot possibly exist, it just means that you don't believe they do. A disbelief in something does not necessitate a denial of their existence.

I will continue to not believe in gods (or yetis) until such evidence presents itself.

(feel free to replace "yeti" with your substitute favourite mythological creature Tongue

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You are free to have your belief that a god does not exists.
You are also free not to get upset over other who do believe.

"You do not need to 100% deny something exists to not believe in it. "

You do to say they do not exist.

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Reply #481 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:30pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:30pm:

Scaring children will demons, torture, and so on, of course is child abuse.

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So much for TV.

Greens are out back hugging trees singing kum bay yah while everyone else is watching the tele when they aren't chained to a gate at the local mine.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #482 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:31pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

You are free to have your belief that a god does not exists.

Thanks for letting me not observe the first commandment

! I don't actually have that belief though

I am an agnostic atheist. I do not claim to know whether deities exist, but based on the evidence, I do not think they do.

As I have repeatedly said, i'm happy to change my mind if the evidence presents itself (maybe help Maria with those "eyewitness" statements)

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #483 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:59pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

I am an agnostic atheist. I do not claim to know whether deities exist, but based on the evidence, I do not think they do.

So you believe they don't exist.

What do you call evidence exactly when seeking if a god exists ?

Stratos wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

As I have repeatedly said, i'm happy to change my mind if the evidence presents itself (maybe help Maria with those "eyewitness" statements)

Maybe you could explain what you consider evidence of a god existing and put your money where your mouth is ?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47498 Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #484 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:03pm Good grief, with what we know about the universe how can any sane person believe in Genesis? And if you don’t believe in that why believe the rest of the gobbledygook?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47498 Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #485 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:06pm The Wailing Wall—nobody knows what that is a remnant of. No archeological evidence of Kings David or Solomon is known to exist.
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He Man Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1159 Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #486 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:13pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:03pm: Good grief, with what we know about the universe how can any sane person believe in Genesis? And if you don’t believe in that why believe the rest of the gobbledygook? How long was a day in Genesis Einstein , do explain Genesis to use all. This will be riveting.
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He Man Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1159 Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #487 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:13pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:06pm: The Wailing Wall—nobody knows what that is a remnant of. No archeological evidence of Kings David or Solomon is known to exist. Ask the jews. They built it didn't they ?
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Reply #488 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:21pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:09pm:

How about you walk us through the process that led you to tell people there is no god ?

As an agnostic I walk people through the fact that I don't have the intellectual tools to know if there is a god or not.

I lack the arrogance to assert that I know there is a god.

But!

Secondly, I enjoy telling them that if there is a god - then 'He' is far more in the nature of being a Lego builder in this universe than a moral Being who intercedes on behalf of innocent suffering.

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Reply #489 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:26pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:03pm:

Good grief, with what we know about the universe how can any sane person believe in Genesis? And if you don’t believe in that why believe the rest of the gobbledygook?

How long was a day in Genesis Einstein , do explain Genesis to use all. This will be riveting.

Before or after the sun existed?

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16616 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #490 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:29pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:06pm: The Wailing Wall—nobody knows what that is a remnant of. No archeological evidence of Kings David or Solomon is known to exist. Reminds me of a joke I read... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1425638147/75#75
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Reply #491 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:33pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:21pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:09pm:

How about you walk us through the process that led you to tell people there is no god ?

As an agnostic I walk people through the fact that I don't have the intellectual tools to know if there is a god or not.

I lack the arrogance to assert that I know there is a god.

But!

Secondly, I enjoy telling them that if there is a god - then 'He' is far more in the nature of being a Lego builder in this universe than a moral Being who intercedes on behalf of innocent suffering.

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Yet you ridicule others by being a smart ass as if they are in some way inferior to you when in reality they actually may not be.

Yet you seem to think a god should intervene on human suffering created by humans. Would that not negate the fact that he allows human free will. Would you prefer we all be robots and non free thinkers and doers ? That would be an immoral god removing free will.

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Reply #492 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:34pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:26pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:03pm:

Good grief, with what we know about the universe how can any sane person believe in Genesis? And if you don’t believe in that why believe the rest of the gobbledygook?

How long was a day in Genesis Einstein , do explain Genesis to use all. This will be riveting.

Before or after the sun existed?

Both.

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Reply #493 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:37pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:26pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:03pm:

Good grief, with what we know about the universe how can any sane person believe in Genesis? And if you don’t believe in that why believe the rest of the gobbledygook?

How long was a day in Genesis Einstein , do explain Genesis to use all. This will be riveting.

Before or after the sun existed?

Both.

Please explain it for me.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #494 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:47pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:37pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:26pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:03pm:

Good grief, with what we know about the universe how can any sane person believe in Genesis? And if you don’t believe in that why believe the rest of the gobbledygook?

How long was a day in Genesis Einstein , do explain Genesis to use all. This will be riveting.

Before or after the sun existed?

Both.

Please explain it for me.

You asked the question you explain it to me.

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