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Reply #510 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:36pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

I gave you a link to information on the day in question in the context of its use. That was what you wanted that was what you got. Of course I agree with its use in context.

Yes you did and I read most of it. It's basically claiming that a day can be an indefinite period of time. How convenient.

Its not claiming anything, it is explaining to you the definition of the word used. Learn instead of acting like you are thick or something.

Sounds like bullshit someone makes up to support their argument. Considering the site's goals, do you have something more? Perhaps a Jew saying it?

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Reply #511 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:39pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

I gave you a link to information on the day in question in the context of its use. That was what you wanted that was what you got. Of course I agree with its use in context.

Yes you did and I read most of it. It's basically claiming that a day can be an indefinite period of time. How convenient.

Its not claiming anything, it is explaining to you the definition of the word used. Learn instead of acting like you are thick or something.

Sounds like bullshit someone makes up to support their argument. Considering the site's goals, do you have something more? Perhaps a Jew saying it?

Go have a google, lets face it you're not here to actually learn anything intellectually. You started chucking a spaz, I corrected you, you were pwned. Move on with your life I find this incredibly boring now.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #512 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:44pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:39pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

I gave you a link to information on the day in question in the context of its use. That was what you wanted that was what you got. Of course I agree with its use in context.

Yes you did and I read most of it. It's basically claiming that a day can be an indefinite period of time. How convenient.

Its not claiming anything, it is explaining to you the definition of the word used. Learn instead of acting like you are thick or something.

Sounds like bullshit someone makes up to support their argument. Considering the site's goals, do you have something more? Perhaps a Jew saying it?

Go have a google, lets face it you're not here to actually learn anything intellectually. You started chucking a spaz, I corrected you, you were pwned. Move on with your life I find this incredibly boring now.

Even if I take it that a day in Hebrew can mean I can borrow your money forever, out of the three meanings, why are you applying that one? Why is it not 24 hours or 12 hour period? What is your rationale beyond convenience of belief?

Anyway, bed for me. 'nite Arminius.

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Reply #513 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:59pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:44pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:39pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

I gave you a link to information on the day in question in the context of its use. That was what you wanted that was what you got. Of course I agree with its use in context.

Yes you did and I read most of it. It's basically claiming that a day can be an indefinite period of time. How convenient.

Its not claiming anything, it is explaining to you the definition of the word used. Learn instead of acting like you are thick or something.

Sounds like bullshit someone makes up to support their argument. Considering the site's goals, do you have something more? Perhaps a Jew saying it?

Go have a google, lets face it you're not here to actually learn anything intellectually. You started chucking a spaz, I corrected you, you were pwned. Move on with your life I find this incredibly boring now.

Even if I take it that a day in Hebrew can mean I can borrow your money forever, out of the three meanings, why are you applying that one? Why is it not 24 hours or 12 hour period? What is your rationale beyond convenience of belief?

Anyway, bed for me. 'nite Arminius.

Incorrect. I am applying nothing, that was the word used. Nice try though. Lets face it we both knew you weren't here to learn anything you just thought you could waltz in and shove your view down others peoples throats who you thought would just gobble it up. You pretended to actually know what you were talking about. Which clearly you didn't.

Have a good one.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #514 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 2:55am

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:44pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:39pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

I gave you a link to information on the day in question in the context of its use. That was what you wanted that was what you got. Of course I agree with its use in context.

Yes you did and I read most of it. It's basically claiming that a day can be an indefinite period of time. How convenient.

Its not claiming anything, it is explaining to you the definition of the word used. Learn instead of acting like you are thick or something.

Sounds like bullshit someone makes up to support their argument. Considering the site's goals, do you have something more? Perhaps a Jew saying it?

Go have a google, lets face it you're not here to actually learn anything intellectually. You started chucking a spaz, I corrected you, you were pwned. Move on with your life I find this incredibly boring now.

Even if I take it that a day in Hebrew can mean I can borrow your money forever, out of the three meanings, why are you applying that one? Why is it not 24 hours or 12 hour period? What is your rationale beyond convenience of belief?

Anyway, bed for me. 'nite Arminius.

Incorrect. I am applying nothing, that was the word used. Nice try though. Lets face it we both knew you weren't here to learn anything you just thought you could waltz in and shove your view down others peoples throats who you thought would just gobble it up. You pretended to actually know what you were talking about. Which clearly you didn't.

Have a good one.

Careful - your paranoia and inferiority complex are showing....

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Reply #515 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 6:12am

Well according to this link

http://creationists.org/how-long-is-a-day-in-the-bible.html

Day most definitely means six 24 hour periods... So, how long is a day in Genesis? 24 hours....

That said, before there was a sun in would have just been Yom according to Hebrew - however, one could not have a given number of indefinite periods...

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On the 26th of January you are all invited to celebrate little white penal day...

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Reply #516 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:38am

Stratos wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

'eye-witness' means different things to stratos and... well everyone else.

Who wrote John's gospel?

Answer that question and you may very well have an eyewitness. Probably have quite a few awards heading your way too for solving a great mystery. No author is named, it could have been written by anybody at any time before the year ~95 AD.

You have an anonymous author, no eyewitness, and are now either being deliberately obtuse or in denial. I have explained this to you several times and you have not provided any answers as to who wrote the book. So name who you believe wrote the book and we can investigate the evidence that they did so. Until then, stop avoiding the question, and breaking the ninth commandment.

As you would be aware (if you had any classic education), many ancient manuscripts did not have 'author pages' or such attributions. A lot has changed in literature over the millennia. The author describes himself as 'the disciple Jesus love' - a title that John is generally considered to have had. Then we have the title of the book itself. Also, the book of Revelation by the Apostle John. The style is identical.

I realise that for you this is not proof, but then there isn't any real proof that you would or could accept. The reasons to doubt John's authorship are far fewer than those to accept it. That is what we call 'balance of probabilities' since virtually everything about the ancient world is not directly provable.

And you need to stop breaking the first commandment.

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Reply #517 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:40am

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 6:12am:

Well according to this link

http://creationists.org/how-long-is-a-day-in-the-bible.html

Day most definitely means six 24 hour periods... So, how long is a day in Genesis? 24 hours....

That said, before there was a sun in would have just been Yom according to Hebrew - however, one could not have a given number of indefinite periods...

The ancient Hebrew word for 'age' is the same as 'day'. Also, we have to consider if the Creation story is literal or figurative. The latter is probably more likely, but neither change the essential truth that God created the universe.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #518 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:47am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:38am:

many ancient manuscripts did not have 'author pages' or such attributions.

The Paline books have attributions loud and clear. Usually right at the start that you can't miss! Even your own holy book doesn't agree with this statement!

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:38am:

Then we have the title of the book itself.

The title was not given to the book, they were added in later. Also why it is sometimes referred to as "the fourth gospel"

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:38am:

The reasons to doubt John's authorship are far fewer than those to accept it.

Again, more nonsense. Look at a random selection of Christian scholars from all areas, and most will not say that there is proof that it was written by John. In fact, the debate seems to be more over author's (plural) than one singular person.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:38am:

And you need to stop breaking the first commandment.

Sorry, unlike your God I'm a big fan of religious freedom Cool

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #519 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:23am

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

Yet you ridicule others by being a smart ass as if they are in some way inferior to you when in reality they actually may not be.

Yet you seem to think a god should intervene on human suffering created by humans. Would that not negate the fact that he allows human free will. Would you prefer we all be robots and non free thinkers and doers ? That would be an immoral god removing free will.

This old chestnut. Free will.

Is it 'Free Will' that brings a boy to be a vulture's next meal?

If 'Free Will' is the cause of all this misery to happen to innocent victims, then it follows logically that in order for humans to eliminate or at least minimise this suffering it's then necessary to regiment society almost to the point where we are automatons - hence you've defeated your own argument.

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Reply #521 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:35am

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

Yet you ridicule others by being a smart ass as if they are in some way inferior to you when in reality they actually may not be.

Yet you seem to think a god should intervene on human suffering created by humans. Would that not negate the fact that he allows human free will. Would you prefer we all be robots and non free thinkers and doers ? That would be an immoral god removing free will.

This old chestnut. Free will.

Is it 'Free Will' that brings a boy to be a vulture's next meal?

If 'Free Will' is the cause of all this misery to happen to innocent victims, then it follows logically that in order for humans to eliminate or at least minimise this suffering it's then necessary to regiment society almost to the point where we are automatons - hence you've defeated your own argument.

Look at that! You actually get it! 'Free Will' is a twin-edged sword. And for an earthly example, take a look at USSR. It was one of the safest and crime-free societies ever. So is North Korea. Freedom... it comes with a price and yet, is still worth it.

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Reply #522 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:42am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:35am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

Yet you ridicule others by being a smart ass as if they are in some way inferior to you when in reality they actually may not be.

Yet you seem to think a god should intervene on human suffering created by humans. Would that not negate the fact that he allows human free will. Would you prefer we all be robots and non free thinkers and doers ? That would be an immoral god removing free will.

This old chestnut. Free will.

Is it 'Free Will' that brings a boy to be a vulture's next meal?

If 'Free Will' is the cause of all this misery to happen to innocent victims, then it follows logically that in order for humans to eliminate or at least minimise this suffering it's then necessary to regiment society almost to the point where we are automatons - hence you've defeated your own argument.

Look at that! You actually get it! 'Free Will' is a twin-edged sword. And for an earthly example, take a look at USSR. It was one of the safest and crime-free societies ever. So is North Korea. Freedom... it comes with a price and yet, is still worth it.

Auschwitz

9/11

800,000 butchered in Uganda

The Gulags.

Wars and Pestilence.

Cancer.

etc

And then your 'god' created a planet where life sustains itself by stalking and eating its other occupants ...

That is not a moral god - that's a Warrior God whose tastes run to blood-and-gore, and the suffering of countless humans and animals at any one time.

This is a Family Program, so I won't tell you what I think of your Hero-God-Lord-of-the-Universe.

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Reply #523 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:45am

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

Mind you, doesn't the Bible give blacks a bad serve?

Old Testament gives most people who don't worship God a bad serve.

In other times, the 'curse of Ham" was used as justification for mistreatment of Blacks though. Nowhere does it mention he was actually dark skinned though. The tradition was that Ham fled south from the Middle East and Africans were his descendants.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #524 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:48am

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

And then your 'god' created a planet where life sustains itself by stalking and eating its other occupants ...

There are some ultra fundamentalist Christians that believe that because before Adam and Eve ate the fruit, the Bible says there was no death, so therefore no carnivores. As in, literally every creature on earth was vegetarian, including the T-Rex

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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