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Reply #525 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:49am

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:35am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

Yet you ridicule others by being a smart ass as if they are in some way inferior to you when in reality they actually may not be.

Yet you seem to think a god should intervene on human suffering created by humans. Would that not negate the fact that he allows human free will. Would you prefer we all be robots and non free thinkers and doers ? That would be an immoral god removing free will.

This old chestnut. Free will.

Is it 'Free Will' that brings a boy to be a vulture's next meal?

If 'Free Will' is the cause of all this misery to happen to innocent victims, then it follows logically that in order for humans to eliminate or at least minimise this suffering it's then necessary to regiment society almost to the point where we are automatons - hence you've defeated your own argument.

Look at that! You actually get it! 'Free Will' is a twin-edged sword. And for an earthly example, take a look at USSR. It was one of the safest and crime-free societies ever. So is North Korea. Freedom... it comes with a price and yet, is still worth it.

Auschwitz

9/11

800,000 butchered in Uganda

The Gulags.

Wars and Pestilence.

Cancer.

etc

And then your 'god' created a planet where life sustains itself by stalking and eating its other occupants ...

That is not a moral god - that's a Warrior God whose tastes run to blood-and-gore, and the suffering of countless humans and animals at any one time.

This is a Family Program, so I would tell you what I think of your Hero-God-Lord-of-the-Universe.

And yet when anything good happens - like the continued existence of Planet Earth in an universe that is hostile to life - you say nothing.

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Reply #526 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:11am

Stratos wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

And then your 'god' created a planet where life sustains itself by stalking and eating its other occupants ...

There are some ultra fundamentalist Christians that believe that because before Adam and Eve ate the fruit, the Bible says there was no death, so therefore no carnivores. As in, literally every creature on earth was vegetarian, including the T-Rex

There were some wonderful Science Fiction writers back then in biblical times.

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Reply #527 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:48am

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

There were some wonderful Science Fiction writers back then in biblical times.

I wish I was talking stone age beliefs. Google it for yourself, there are a whole bunch of websites that spruik this kind of drivel. I guess that's what happens when you decide something cannot possibly be wrong in any regard against all reason.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #528 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:49am

Stratos wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

There were some wonderful Science Fiction writers back then in biblical times.

I wish I was talking stone age beliefs. Google it for yourself, there are a whole bunch of websites that spruik this kind of drivel. I guess that's what happens when you decide something cannot possibly be wrong in any regard against all reason.

Come on Stratos, you backed the kids that walked out of the anthem. Give Christianity a go hey.

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Reply #529 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:51am

double plus good wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

There were some wonderful Science Fiction writers back then in biblical times.

I wish I was talking stone age beliefs. Google it for yourself, there are a whole bunch of websites that spruik this kind of drivel. I guess that's what happens when you decide something cannot possibly be wrong in any regard against all reason.

Come on Stratos, you backed the kids that walked out of the anthem. Give Christianity a go hey.

Just because you support somebodies rights to express their religion Double, doesn't mean you have to believe in it.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #530 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:52am

Stratos wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

There were some wonderful Science Fiction writers back then in biblical times.

I wish I was talking stone age beliefs. Google it for yourself, there are a whole bunch of websites that spruik this kind of drivel. I guess that's what happens when you decide something cannot possibly be wrong in any regard against all reason.

You also decide that it can't possibly be right - also without reason.

BTW the absolute irony is that when you brought up David and Goliath, you were actually a messenger from God to my hubby and I. The details are private, but it is odd how God sends lessons and so on via the oddest of people.

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Reply #531 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:55am

double plus good wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Come on Stratos, you backed the kids that walked out of the anthem.

No I didn't. I pointed out the hypocrisy of letting one group do it for decades while getting outraged when another does it.

I really am quite apathetic about the whole matter, and while I think it could have been handled better by both sides, I don't think that anyone should be forced to sing the national anthem.

Now I'm calling Maria out on her BS claim about there being eyewitnesses to Jesus, just as I would if a Muslim claimed there were lots of eyewitnesses for Muhammad.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #532 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:55am

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

double plus good wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

There were some wonderful Science Fiction writers back then in biblical times.

I wish I was talking stone age beliefs. Google it for yourself, there are a whole bunch of websites that spruik this kind of drivel. I guess that's what happens when you decide something cannot possibly be wrong in any regard against all reason.

Come on Stratos, you backed the kids that walked out of the anthem. Give Christianity a go hey.

Just because you support somebodies rights to express their religion Double, doesn't mean you have to believe in it.

I thought it was about respect for peoples beliefs.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #533 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:57am mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:52am: You also decide that it can't possibly be right - also without reason. No I haven't, where have I made such a claim. One contemporary account, written or archaeological is all I ask.
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Reply #534 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:58am

double plus good wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

double plus good wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

There were some wonderful Science Fiction writers back then in biblical times.

I wish I was talking stone age beliefs. Google it for yourself, there are a whole bunch of websites that spruik this kind of drivel. I guess that's what happens when you decide something cannot possibly be wrong in any regard against all reason.

Come on Stratos, you backed the kids that walked out of the anthem. Give Christianity a go hey.

Just because you support somebodies rights to express their religion Double, doesn't mean you have to believe in it.

I thought it was about respect for peoples beliefs.

It is. But that doesn't mean you get to just make stuff up.

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Reply #535 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:02pm

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

double plus good wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

double plus good wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

There were some wonderful Science Fiction writers back then in biblical times.

I wish I was talking stone age beliefs. Google it for yourself, there are a whole bunch of websites that spruik this kind of drivel. I guess that's what happens when you decide something cannot possibly be wrong in any regard against all reason.

Come on Stratos, you backed the kids that walked out of the anthem. Give Christianity a go hey.

Just because you support somebodies rights to express their religion Double, doesn't mean you have to believe in it.

I thought it was about respect for peoples beliefs.

It is. But that doesn't mean you get to just make stuff up.

Walking out of the national anthem because a Muslim can't be jovial in a time of mourning is a stupid belief. Stratos and you both backed up this stupid belief. Now you are knocking Christian silly beliefs. Why defend silly beliefs and then in the next instance ridicule them??

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #536 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:03pm double plus good wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:02pm: Stratos and you both backed up this stupid belief. No I didn't. I made my thought very clear on the previous comment.
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Reply #537 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:05pm

double plus good wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

double plus good wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

double plus good wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

There were some wonderful Science Fiction writers back then in biblical times.

I wish I was talking stone age beliefs. Google it for yourself, there are a whole bunch of websites that spruik this kind of drivel. I guess that's what happens when you decide something cannot possibly be wrong in any regard against all reason.

Come on Stratos, you backed the kids that walked out of the anthem. Give Christianity a go hey.

Just because you support somebodies rights to express their religion Double, doesn't mean you have to believe in it.

I thought it was about respect for peoples beliefs.

It is. But that doesn't mean you get to just make stuff up.

Walking out of the national anthem because a Muslim can't be jovial in a time of mourning is a stupid belief. Stratos and you both backed up this stupid belief. Now you are knocking Christian silly beliefs. Why defend silly beliefs and then in the next instance ridicule them??

Nobody is ridiculing anything. We are just asking Maria to stop making things up.

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Reply #538 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:05pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

double plus good wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

Stratos and you both backed up this stupid belief.

No I didn't. I made my thought very clear on the previous comment.

You wrote this- What a ridiculous beat up.

There is a religious minority that on principle does not sing any national anthems because their beliefs state that they belong to their God and not to any earthly country. They have been doing this since their inception and also do not participate in any commemorations of armed conflict such as ANZAC day.

Funnily enough I've never heard anybody complain about Jehovah's Witnesses doing this however.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #539 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:07pm How is that "backing up this stupid belief" Again, I was pointing out hypocrisy, not condoning or condemning the practice.
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