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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74749 Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #45 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:42am mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:16am: That is why in matters of religion we give FREEDOM - just not to muslims? right?
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Reply #46 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:44am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:39am:

There's none.

I'm still waiting. I do enjoy this conversation. Many people get regularly lied to by their pastors (like I was) about the historical reliability of Jesus. I was really quite shocked when I started looking into it myself, and was a big part of why I started questioning my faith.

I don't think they do it on purpose, just that they repeat what they were told without investigating. Not a single piece of evidence from when Jesus was supposed to have lived even exists, it's quite remarkable. As always I'm happy to be proven wrong on this.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #47 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:57am

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:09am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:15am:

Now if you can PROVE Christianity wrong then you have a point, but until that time you have to accept that perhaps it is true and it is YOU than needs to have kids taken away from.

There are no primary sources that Jesus even existed, let alone did all the things that were written in the Bible.

A historical Jesus is largely irrelevant to the Jesus of the Bible.

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Reply #48 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:58am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:16am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:58am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:15am:

Now if you can PROVE Christianity wrong then you have a point, but until that time you have to accept that perhaps it is true and it is YOU than needs to have kids taken away from.

There is no more perhaps it is true than any other religion, including things like Scientology. There are many specific claims the religion makes that are almost certainly not true.

The entire basis for the religion is completely unreasonable in any case. It's rather clear why people believe it and how it came to be prominent.

There is not a single good reason to believe the supernatural claims the religion makes.

Nor any proof to debunk it either. That is why in matters of religion we give FREEDOM - something Greens apparently does not support.

So you support mutilating children's sexual organs on the grounds of religious freedom.

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10982 Australia Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #49 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:14am Belief is based on faith. Religion is a manmade enterprise. After learning and hearing about it no one is going to grab you by the scruff of the neck if you choose to be an atheist.
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Reply #50 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:21am

I feel sorry for people who dont have a spiritual side.

explaining spirituality to a zealous aetheist is like explaining an orgasm to a virgin.

they will never understand until they experience it and they live a mediocre life until they do.

i suppose at least theyve got ebay and facebook to make their lives meaningful Wink

How pitiful Wink

If you have been exposed to the great teachings of the worlds spiritual geniuses and you choose to ignore the ancient teachings

you have...

Messed Up Wink

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Reply #51 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:27am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:21am:

I feel sorry for people who dont have a spiritual side.

you assume, wrongly, that those that don't believe in god aren't spiritual ... I think you can be both.

Every time I walk out in the warm sun, every time I hear the sound of the waves crashing on the beach, every time I feel the caress of a beautiful woman, its a spiritual experience.

I don't need to believe in fairy tales to be spiritual. Wink

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Reply #52 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:31am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:21am:

explaining spirituality to a zealous aetheist

I've had heaps of discussions with spiritual atheists. Maybe you should meet some Buddhists?

aquascoot wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:21am:

If you have been exposed to the great teachings of the worlds spiritual geniuses and you choose to ignore the ancient teachings

Just because you don't buy into everything doesn't mean you can't appreciate these things. There are aspects of Christian teaching I like, same as those found in Islam, Buddhism etc.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #53 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:33am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:21am:

I feel sorry for people who dont have a spiritual side.

explaining spirituality to a zealous aetheist is like explaining an orgasm to a virgin.

they will never understand until they experience it and they live a mediocre life until they do.

i suppose at least theyve got ebay and facebook to make their lives meaningful Wink

How pitiful Wink

If you have been exposed to the great teachings of the worlds spiritual geniuses and you choose to ignore the ancient teachings

you have...

Messed Up Wink

Spirituality is an aspect of humanity, there is no denying that, but it need not be supernatural nonsense.

It's perfectly possible to get spiritual fulfilment from mindfulness and connection with others. In essence the connection with something bigger than ourselves and the search for meaning doesn't need mystery.

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10982 Australia Gender:	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #54 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:44am There is nothing wrong with teaching kids religion at primary school. I remember my religious instructor at primary school and basically at that level the message is right from wrong. Their not trying to turn you into a priest or a theologian. If nothing else it teaches you respect.
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Reply #55 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:47am

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:58am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:16am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:58am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:15am:

Now if you can PROVE Christianity wrong then you have a point, but until that time you have to accept that perhaps it is true and it is YOU than needs to have kids taken away from.

There is no more perhaps it is true than any other religion, including things like Scientology. There are many specific claims the religion makes that are almost certainly not true.

The entire basis for the religion is completely unreasonable in any case. It's rather clear why people believe it and how it came to be prominent.

There is not a single good reason to believe the supernatural claims the religion makes.

Nor any proof to debunk it either. That is why in matters of religion we give FREEDOM - something Greens apparently does not support.

So you support mutilating children's sexual organs on the grounds of religious freedom.

You're confusing tribal rituals with religion.

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Reply #56 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:51am

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:44am:

There is nothing wrong with teaching kids religion at primary school.

I remember my religious instructor at primary school and basically at that level the message is right from wrong.

Their not trying to turn you into a priest or a theologian.

If nothing else it teaches you respect.

I too have no issue with it. Religion forms a very important part of our history and many cultures throughout the world. It's when you teach one faith as fact to the exclusion of all other I start to get a bit annoyed.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #57 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:54am

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:21am:

I feel sorry for people who dont have a spiritual side.

you assume, wrongly, that those that don't believe in god aren't spiritual ... I think you can be both.

Every time I walk out in the warm sun, every time I hear the sound of the waves crashing on the beach, every time I feel the caress of a beautiful woman, its a spiritual experience.

I don't need to believe in fairy tales to be spiritual. Wink

You spiritual Grin

you are sorely deluded.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #58 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:02pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:51am:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:44am:

There is nothing wrong with teaching kids religion at primary school.

I remember my religious instructor at primary school and basically at that level the message is right from wrong.

Their not trying to turn you into a priest or a theologian.

If nothing else it teaches you respect.

I too have no issue with it. Religion forms a very important part of our history and many cultures throughout the world. It's when you teach one faith as fact to the exclusion of all other I start to get a bit annoyed.

Christianity, Islam and Judaism basically all have the same God, so for these to teach the others are inferior is silly.

I have never been to a church be it Protestant, Anglican, Catholic or Orthodox where I have heard a priest put down another religion.

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Reply #59 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:03pm

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:58am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:16am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:58am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:15am:

Now if you can PROVE Christianity wrong then you have a point, but until that time you have to accept that perhaps it is true and it is YOU than needs to have kids taken away from.

There is no more perhaps it is true than any other religion, including things like Scientology. There are many specific claims the religion makes that are almost certainly not true.

The entire basis for the religion is completely unreasonable in any case. It's rather clear why people believe it and how it came to be prominent.

There is not a single good reason to believe the supernatural claims the religion makes.

Nor any proof to debunk it either. That is why in matters of religion we give FREEDOM - something Greens apparently does not support.

So you support mutilating children's sexual organs on the grounds of religious freedom.

You're confusing tribal rituals with religion.

Tribal rituals are religion.

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