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Reply #570 - Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:53pm

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

Why don't you ALL just open your BIBLE and read it and interpret it as YOU see fit?

This is not only about textual interpretation, it is also about the history of the documents. You can learn many things from them, but not merely from reading them. See previous example of the titles of the gospels not given for a very long time. You need to understand the background in order to make sense of certain aspects.

I agree though. Wish Maria would read hers properly and realise there is no indication that John the Apostle wrote anything.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #571 - Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:09pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:53pm:

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

Why don't you ALL just open your BIBLE and read it and interpret it as YOU see fit?

This is not only about textual interpretation, it is also about the history of the documents. You can learn many things from them, but not merely from reading them. See previous example of the titles of the gospels not given for a very long time. You need to understand the background in order to make sense of certain aspects.

I agree though. Wish Maria would read hers properly and realise there is no indication that John the Apostle wrote anything.

Right. So the "documents" are how many eons old? Hollywood Movies about religious stuff isn't relevant.

The Bible is a boring "novel", NOT an official BIOGRAPHY. Written a very long time after events by people who weren't even there. Why people bother reading it, other than to be "holier than thou" escapes me.

Do you really think that you will end up in Heaven, Stratos? With all those "holier than thou" people there, I would prefer to go to Hell, IF there was such a place.

Meanwhile, when I die ....

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Reply #572 - Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:43pm

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Right. So the "documents" are how many eons old?

Oldest piece we have could be as early as ~120

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Written a very long time after events by people who weren't even there.

Congrats, you know more about the Bible than Maria. Grin

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Do you really think that you will end up in Heaven, Stratos? With all those "holier than thou" people there, I would prefer to go to Hell, IF there was such a place.

Interesting topic of debate, but no. I don't believe in the afterlife.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #573 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:45am

Maria, because you think I'm being unreasonable, I think I should restate what I've said previously.

I have, and still maintain that there is no contemporary evidence from Jesus supposed timeline that suggests he exists, but I'm open to being proved wrong on that. A single piece of archaeological or written evidence about Jesus from the time the events are said to have occurred will convince me that at the very least a historical person exists beyond reasonable doubt. if you can provide said evidence then this discussion can be ended in minutes.

My standard of any archaeological evidence form the time of the events applies to the other Biblical characters which there is contemporary accounts for such as Pilate, who we know about from other writings as well as the archaeological Pilate Stone, and Herod, who we have numerous accounts of, as well as archaeological evidence, including his tomb.

Unless there is a good reason to (obvious tampering with Josephus works for example) I won't discount anything as a fraud or fake.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #574 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 11:51pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

I refuse to read any other English Bible.

May I ask why?

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

"This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true."

Like I said, that it is claimed to have been written (or based on another written account possibly?) by a disciple of Jesus.

Who made that "claim"?

I'm asking because it doesn't appear to be solid....in fact it sounds too vague to even be regarded as a "claim".

Re KJV (1611) English Bible..... do you not agree that it's a very reliable (if not the most reliable) English version of the Holy Bible?

NB Apologies for the delay in posting.

I have not had any time to be online for some time, thanks to real life and all its busy deadlines etc.

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Reply #575 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:58am

Stratos wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:45am:

Maria, because you think I'm being unreasonable, I think I should restate what I've said previously.

I have, and still maintain that there is no contemporary evidence from Jesus supposed timeline that suggests he exists, but I'm open to being proved wrong on that. A single piece of archaeological or written evidence about Jesus from the time the events are said to have occurred will convince me that at the very least a historical person exists beyond reasonable doubt. if you can provide said evidence then this discussion can be ended in minutes.

My standard of any archaeological evidence form the time of the events applies to the other Biblical characters which there is contemporary accounts for such as Pilate, who we know about from other writings as well as the archaeological Pilate Stone, and Herod, who we have numerous accounts of, as well as archaeological evidence, including his tomb.

Unless there is a good reason to (obvious tampering with Josephus works for example) I won't discount anything as a fraud or fake.

I really don't understand why do you argue with religous people? You are trying to tell an ant what is triangle, they will never learn. The capability to study has limit to each brain, don't waste your time on this. Most of time religeon is good rulling system, you see it as a political rulling tool.

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Reply #576 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:44am

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

Who made that "claim"?

I don't know. I don't believe there is any evidence that points to one particular historical person.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

Re KJV (1611) English Bible..... do you not agree that it's a very reliable (if not the most reliable) English version of the Holy Bible?

Generally it's fine. I don't see any reason to maintain the thees and thous, but to each their own.

edit: Oh, the 1611 version is the one you read? I'm surprised it's in print, it got revised a bunch of times after that, mostly to fix typos and copy errors.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #578 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:55am

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:31am:

beer wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:58am:

You are trying to tell an ant what is triangle, they will never learn.

Don't pick on ants, they might never know what a triangle is, but they are better at weather forecasting that we might ever be.

They might be good at weather forecasting, but in the hot days like today, I found lots of them on the path I walked crashed by my shoes. The limit of memory, processing ability, sensations, led them to death without even knowing the reason. That's why science is important, in the universe, who knows are we ants or not.

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Reply #579 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:08am

beer wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:58am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:45am:

Maria, because you think I'm being unreasonable, I think I should restate what I've said previously.

I have, and still maintain that there is no contemporary evidence from Jesus supposed timeline that suggests he exists, but I'm open to being proved wrong on that. A single piece of archaeological or written evidence about Jesus from the time the events are said to have occurred will convince me that at the very least a historical person exists beyond reasonable doubt. if you can provide said evidence then this discussion can be ended in minutes.

My standard of any archaeological evidence form the time of the events applies to the other Biblical characters which there is contemporary accounts for such as Pilate, who we know about from other writings as well as the archaeological Pilate Stone, and Herod, who we have numerous accounts of, as well as archaeological evidence, including his tomb.

Unless there is a good reason to (obvious tampering with Josephus works for example) I won't discount anything as a fraud or fake.

I really don't understand why do you argue with religous people? You are trying to tell an ant what is triangle, they will never learn. The capability to study has limit to each brain, don't waste your time on this. Most of time religeon is good rulling system, you see it as a political rulling tool.

Because they are in your face on every street corner spreading their god gobbing muck and taking material money away from the gullible Sad

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Reply #580 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 11:44am

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

beer wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:58am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:45am:

Maria, because you think I'm being unreasonable, I think I should restate what I've said previously.

I have, and still maintain that there is no contemporary evidence from Jesus supposed timeline that suggests he exists, but I'm open to being proved wrong on that. A single piece of archaeological or written evidence about Jesus from the time the events are said to have occurred will convince me that at the very least a historical person exists beyond reasonable doubt. if you can provide said evidence then this discussion can be ended in minutes.

My standard of any archaeological evidence form the time of the events applies to the other Biblical characters which there is contemporary accounts for such as Pilate, who we know about from other writings as well as the archaeological Pilate Stone, and Herod, who we have numerous accounts of, as well as archaeological evidence, including his tomb.

Unless there is a good reason to (obvious tampering with Josephus works for example) I won't discount anything as a fraud or fake.

I really don't understand why do you argue with religous people? You are trying to tell an ant what is triangle, they will never learn. The capability to study has limit to each brain, don't waste your time on this. Most of time religeon is good rulling system, you see it as a political rulling tool.

Because they are in your face on every street corner spreading their god gobbing muck and taking material money away from the gullible Sad

Don't worry, you can look at them as officers from ATO who collect some sort taxes related to intellegence assets.

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Reply #581 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 12:04pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

I refuse to read any other English Bible.

May I ask why?

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

"This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true."

Like I said, that it is claimed to have been written (or based on another written account possibly?) by a disciple of Jesus.

Who made that "claim"?

I'm asking because it doesn't appear to be solid....in fact it sounds too vague to even be regarded as a "claim".

Re KJV (1611) English Bible..... do you not agree that it's a very reliable (if not the most reliable) English version of the Holy Bible?

NB Apologies for the delay in posting.

I have not had any time to be online for some time, thanks to real life and all its busy deadlines etc.

You've got no idea about who made that vague claim?????

But you'll use it in anyway lol?

That's not going to help us Stratos. Roll Eyes

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Reply #582 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 12:08pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:44am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

Who made that "claim"?

I don't know. I don't believe there is any evidence that points to one particular historical person.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

Re KJV (1611) English Bible..... do you not agree that it's a very reliable (if not the most reliable) English version of the Holy Bible?

Generally it's fine. I don't see any reason to maintain the thees and thous, but to each their own.

edit: Oh, the 1611 version is the one you read? I'm surprised it's in print, it got revised a bunch of times after that, mostly to fix typos and copy errors.

Ok soooo.....

1. You don't know who said what. But you'll use that as a basis for arguing lol.

2. You're confusing reprinted editions with revised editions.

Hmmmmm. Undecided

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Reply #583 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 12:16pm

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:31am:

beer wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:58am:

You are trying to tell an ant what is triangle, they will never learn.

Don't pick on ants, they might never know what a triangle is, but they are better at weather forecasting that we might ever be.

I've seen them get it wrong on quite a few occasions. They're not as reliable as the weather bureau.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #584 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 12:18pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 12:08pm: 1. You don't know who said what. Correct, nor as far as I'm aware, does anybody. Who wrote the book has been a question asked by scholars for hundreds of years, with no conclusive answers.
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