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Reply #75 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:00pm

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 1:32pm:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:32pm:

This religious enforcement onto children, is it child abuse?

Like I said if nothing else it teaches them respect and right from wrong.

Things that grow the character not inhibit it.

You say mutilations of children's sexual organs grows character. How?

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Reply #76 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:16pm

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:00pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 1:32pm:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:32pm:

This religious enforcement onto children, is it child abuse?

Like I said if nothing else it teaches them respect and right from wrong.

Things that grow the character not inhibit it.

You say mutilations of children's sexual organs grows character. How?

You're not listening I said religious instructions at primary school level teaches them respect and right from wrong.

Where did I say that sh!t you wrote above...?

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Reply #77 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:19pm

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 1:24pm:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:32pm:

Circumcision.

elective surgery performed on neonates and children for religious and cultural reasons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

And now we have gone full circle and are back at mutilating children's sexual organs because of religion.

My original question is still waiting on an answer.

This religious enforcement onto children, is it child abuse?

There is no place in the bible where it says males should be circumcised.

This is a ritual practiced by Jews who also introduced it to Muslims and other north African peoples.

I'm Orthodox basically I pray to the same God that Jews and Muslims pray to yet I'm not circumcised.

Its a ritual thing developed in tribes not by religion.

http://s9.postimg.org/x33u3yb1r/circ.jpg

Mutilation was spoken about here.
You denied it was used in religions.

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Reply #78 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:23pm

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:19pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 1:24pm:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:32pm:

Circumcision.

elective surgery performed on neonates and children for religious and cultural reasons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

And now we have gone full circle and are back at mutilating children's sexual organs because of religion.

My original question is still waiting on an answer.

This religious enforcement onto children, is it child abuse?

There is no place in the bible where it says males should be circumcised.

This is a ritual practiced by Jews who also introduced it to Muslims and other north African peoples.

I'm Orthodox basically I pray to the same God that Jews and Muslims pray to yet I'm not circumcised.

Its a ritual thing developed in tribes not by religion.

http://s9.postimg.org/x33u3yb1r/circ.jpg

Mutilation was spoken about here.
You denied it was used in religions.

Mutilation is a ritual practiced by tribes of people.

Show me where in the religious doctrine it says to mutilate children's genitals?

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #79 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:29pm

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:23pm:

Show me where in the religious doctrine it says to mutilate children's genitals?

Genesis 17:10=14

This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised. Every male throughout your generations, whether born in your house or bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring, both he who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money, shall surely be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

There are later passages that go on to say that it is completely pointless too however.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #80 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:34pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:29pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:23pm:

Show me where in the religious doctrine it says to mutilate children's genitals?

Genesis 17:10=14

This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised. Every male throughout your generations, whether born in your house or bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring, both he who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money, shall surely be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

There are later passages that go on to say that it is completely pointless too however.

Well I'm not circumcised and I pray to the same God.

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #81 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:36pm

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:18pm:

I bet when George is on his death bed he'll think of God.

He's already dead.

DOOHHH, my bad may he RIP.

At least he's not burning forever in hell fire & damnation.

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Reply #82 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:43pm

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:23pm:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:19pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 1:24pm:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:32pm:

Circumcision.

elective surgery performed on neonates and children for religious and cultural reasons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

And now we have gone full circle and are back at mutilating children's sexual organs because of religion.

My original question is still waiting on an answer.

This religious enforcement onto children, is it child abuse?

There is no place in the bible where it says males should be circumcised.

This is a ritual practiced by Jews who also introduced it to Muslims and other north African peoples.

I'm Orthodox basically I pray to the same God that Jews and Muslims pray to yet I'm not circumcised.

Its a ritual thing developed in tribes not by religion.

http://s9.postimg.org/x33u3yb1r/circ.jpg

Mutilation was spoken about here.
You denied it was used in religions.

Mutilation is a ritual practiced by tribes of people.

Show me where in the religious doctrine it says to mutilate children's genitals?

[viii] The fact that circumcision of both males and females was based on Mohammad’s sunna is not in dispute. The reader can consult the books of Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.

https://copticliterature.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/circumcision-and-the-copts-a-h...

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #83 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:49pm

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:43pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:23pm:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:19pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 1:24pm:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:32pm:

Circumcision.

elective surgery performed on neonates and children for religious and cultural reasons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

And now we have gone full circle and are back at mutilating children's sexual organs because of religion.

My original question is still waiting on an answer.

This religious enforcement onto children, is it child abuse?

There is no place in the bible where it says males should be circumcised.

This is a ritual practiced by Jews who also introduced it to Muslims and other north African peoples.

I'm Orthodox basically I pray to the same God that Jews and Muslims pray to yet I'm not circumcised.

Its a ritual thing developed in tribes not by religion.

http://s9.postimg.org/x33u3yb1r/circ.jpg

Mutilation was spoken about here.
You denied it was used in religions.

Mutilation is a ritual practiced by tribes of people.

Show me where in the religious doctrine it says to mutilate children's genitals?

[viii] The fact that circumcision of both males and females was based on Mohammad’s sunna is not in dispute. The reader can consult the books of Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.

https://copticliterature.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/circumcision-and-the-copts-a-h...

I'm against genital mutilation, in my religion it doesn't even come into the equation.

Must be because ancient Greeks thought that the removal of your foreskin truly left you naked with the head of the penis exposed......... Cheesy

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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #84 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:49pm

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:29pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:23pm:

Show me where in the religious doctrine it says to mutilate children's genitals?

Genesis 17:10=14

This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised. Every male throughout your generations, whether born in your house or bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring, both he who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money, shall surely be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

There are later passages that go on to say that it is completely pointless too however.

Well I'm not circumcised and I pray to the same God.

You pray to the God that allegedly wrote that passage demanding all people who are his to circumcise themselves? I really don't care, but that is a pretty clear instruction to circumcise men from a deity.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #85 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:52pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:49pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:29pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:23pm:

Show me where in the religious doctrine it says to mutilate children's genitals?

Genesis 17:10=14

This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised. Every male throughout your generations, whether born in your house or bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring, both he who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money, shall surely be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

There are later passages that go on to say that it is completely pointless too however.

Well I'm not circumcised and I pray to the same God.

You pray to the God that allegedly wrote that passage demanding all people who are his to circumcise themselves? I really don't care, but that is a pretty clear instruction to circumcise men from a deity.

I haven't read the old testament enough to know about it, but you yourself said that in later passages the bible says its useless to be circumcised anyhow...??

So why do it.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #86 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:27pm Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:52pm: So why do it. Excellent question. God gives a pretty clear reason in the passage there apparently.
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse. Reply #88 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:34pm Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm: Well Stratos if you're Greek you know all about orthodoxy and that we don't practice circumcision. But you can see based on that passage it could be seen as a direct instruction from a deity to circumcise boys yes?
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Re: Religious Teaching Is Child Abuse.
Reply #89 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:37pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:34pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Well Stratos if you're Greek you know all about orthodoxy and that we don't practice circumcision.

But you can see based on that passage it could be seen as a direct instruction from a deity to circumcise boys yes?

Based on that yes it seems so.

But what of the passages that say its useless to circumcise males....????

What do they go on to say.

Maybe this was something to do with the Jews..??..only and not the Gentiles...???

I don't know just speculating.

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